Guys, If Mateen had not been able to buy an AR-15 despite the fact that he had been on the FBI list of possible terrorists, he probably would not have been able to commit the massacre. Could he have borrowed from others? Yeah, but the probability that someone would tip the authorities would have been high.
If some people are indeed crazy, count among them the Republicans in Congress and in the Senate. The American people overwhelmingly - I repeat, overwhelmingly - support making it nearly impossible for people on the no-fly lists to buy guns, not just assault-type weapons (Hillary calls them weapons of war), but the Republicans would not support such a bill in Congress. Just yesterday, the Republicans in the Senate blocked 4 bills that were intended to make it exceedingly hard for the terrorists, crazies and hot-tempered people from buying guns. All 4 bills were defeated. Why do the Republicans oppose those common-sense bills (hear this, Cholo)? Because the NRA (National Rifle Association) opposes any new law that restricts the right of people to buy and own guns. And the Republicans are terrified of the NRA, which finances a lot of their campaigns. Follow the money, indeed. Something as common-sensical as making sure that terrorists, the crazies and the violent-tempered in society cannot own guns, especial assault weapons, can't pass in our Congress. The Republicans claim that what they want is to make sure that nobody's constitutional right to own guns is infringed. They claim that the mere suspicion that someone is a terrorist, a crazy, a violent person should not be enough justification because there must be due process, which means that the government must go to the courts before restricting anyone's right to own guns. Can you imagine how difficult it would be to police such a system? A terrorist would only need a lawyer to hamstring the police. A terrorist would still be able to buy guns while his case is being adjudicated! Fact is, people are being placed in no-fly lists on mere suspicion. People are being denied the right to get on planes on mere suspicion. Since the U.S. adopted its new policy of denying suspected terrorists the right to get on airplanes, how many terrorists were able to blow up a plane? Since 2001, none were successful in America. And nobody complains about due process. The fact is, the no-fly list has been successful and we only need to use the list to prevent would-be terrorists from buying guns. If I were in the U.S. Congress or in the U.S. Senate, I would sponsor a bill that makes all sales of firearms between and among private individuals subject to tax and therefore must be reported to the government. So Boy, why am I a Democrat and why do I stubbornly maintain that the Democratic Party is the good guys party and the Republican Party is the bad guys party? It's because of issues like gun control. It's because of issues like making sure the Social Security System is properly funded. The Democrats favor Social Security reform, the Republicans want to privatize Social Security. It's because of issues like taxing the rich to help the poor, which the Democrats favor and which the Republicans oppose. It's because of issues like free tuition in state universities, universal health care, equal pay for equal work, $15 minimum wage, making sure that no more jobs are exported to China and Mexico. The Democrats are for all of the above and then some, the Republicans oppose them all. Look at the record, Boy. The Republicans oppose all these proposals because what they would mean is that the rich and the corporations will have to pay more in taxes. This despite the fact that the rich in America have become very, very rich while middle class income has been stuck in neutral in real terms since the 1970s. The American people are fed up with the Republicans, Boy. And Bangkaw. That is why the Republicans, with Trump at the head of their party now, are in danger of losing both houses of Congress along with the presidency this November. And they could lose some governorships and state legislatures as well. Cesar L On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Allan Tolentino <[email protected]> wrote: > *And Omega-san, bombarded 24/7 by media propaganda, now has no choice but > believe that Mateen was "simply an unbalanced and unglued screwball, nutty > as a fruitcake right from the beginning of his known life-story." What > presumptuous philosophizing/analyzing by an arm-chair psychologist about > Mateen's motivation in his heinous act.* > > *But Omega-san's conclusion reveals he got the message. Whose message? The > U.S. government/media crime partners' message: LOOK NO FURTHER BEYOND WHAT > YOU ARE TOLD. MOST ESPECIALLY, DO NOT LOOK IN OUR DIRECTION. OR ELSE......* > > *Welcome to the real world, Charlie. The secret but violent make-believe > world of false flag architects of the Boston Marathon bombing. The > architects are all government agents conditioning the people's mind > to surrender more of their liberties in exchange for bubbly security. Just > like Ferdinand Marcos' agents creating havoc and mayhem in the name of > leftist activists to condition the public's mind to accept his martial law > in the 1970's.* > > *Welcome to the Third World, America. Your government is remaking you in > our image. Or the chickens are coming home to roost.* > > *Allan T.* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "omega is one [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance]" < > [email protected]> > *To:* [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 June 2016, 2:36 > > *Subject:* Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: What to do about Orlando > > > > What is presumptuous is all this philosophizing or analyzing by arm-chair > psychologists about Mateen's motivation in his heinous act. > > It is becoming more & more obvious as more & more biographical narratives > are coming out in the media that reveal Mateen to be simply an unbalanced & > unglued screwball, nutty as a fruitcake right from the beginning of his > known life-story. > > > <https://mail.aol.com/IM/?sn=omegaisone&locale=en_US&pd=0> > *Omega* > Life is like a melody, only the lyrics are messed up. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Tolentino <[email protected]> > To: Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance < > [email protected]>; Bob Gabuna < > [email protected]> > Cc: hmcruzmd <[email protected]>; Eduardo Gimenez < > [email protected]>; HS59LaSalle <[email protected]>; > Archersnook <[email protected]>; [email protected] < > [email protected]>; 62ndforum <[email protected]>; Augusto > Jamora <[email protected]>; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG < > [email protected]>; Cesar Lumba < > [email protected]>; frank jimenez <[email protected]>; > mcelemin <[email protected]>; mcamello <[email protected]>; MABINI > 2010 <[email protected]>; [email protected] < > [email protected]>; omegaisone <[email protected]>; patalinjugmar > <[email protected]>; o_sfranklindrillon < > [email protected]>; sonnybelmonte2011 < > [email protected]>; waldenbellow <[email protected]>; > louiefern <[email protected]>; emilyabrera <[email protected]>; > lrshani3 <[email protected]>; CJ Art Panganiban < > [email protected]>; oscarfranklintan < > [email protected]>; Homobono Adaza <[email protected]>; > Kit Tatad <[email protected]>; Edwin de Leon <[email protected]>; > Narciso, Jr. Reyes <[email protected]>; Randy David < > [email protected]>; yenmakabenta <[email protected]>; Mar > Salazar <[email protected]>; ntcwtc <[email protected]>; ernestompernia < > [email protected]>; Cielitoq Habito <[email protected]>; > wallace_likeitis <[email protected]>; Dr Nelson Paguyo < > [email protected]>; lourdes m. ceballos <[email protected]>; > frednati <[email protected]>; dealjun <[email protected]>; romeo somodio > <[email protected]>; friesontl <[email protected]>; Cesar Torres < > [email protected]>; perrydiaz <[email protected]>; eastwind_777 < > [email protected]>; manuelpatalinjug <[email protected]>; > monchuck757c <[email protected]>; [email protected] < > [email protected]>; Jurie Baldonado <[email protected]>; > [email protected] <[email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug < > [email protected]>; Jun Sibug <[email protected]>; Ben Rivera < > [email protected]>; Eddie AAA Calderon <[email protected]>; Rey > Gonzalo <[email protected]>; jollyrogers888 < > [email protected]>; Nimfa Gamez <[email protected]>; lumen.530 < > [email protected]>; easimedia28 <[email protected]>; Atty Batas > Mauricio <[email protected]>; cdvictory21 <[email protected]>; > bodjuk <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 5:50 am > Subject: Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: What to do about Orlando > > *As someone who believes in the Christian ideology, you are rather > presumptuous in describ**ing the dynamics of the Islamic faith in general > and the mind and motive of Mateen in particular. How do you know Mateen was > motivated to kill 49 people as atonement for his "sin"? Define sin. Explain > why homosexuality is a sin. And prove redemption through murder was > Mateen's motive. Jihad is too pat as a motive especially when emphasized by > anti-Islam western media.* > > *Homosexuality is certainly condemned by Islamic fundamentalists, as much > as by Christian Talibans like Manny Pacquiao. Threat of exposure as a > Muslim homo is a means of turning some Muslims into informants/spies as > Israel does in Palestine. It is also a powerful form of blackmail for the > FBI to force unstable people like Mateen to commit a false flag atrocity > like murdering 49 people. Then silence him quickly and forever. For what > purpose? U.S. media have provided strong hints about the false flag motive. > By emphasizing that Mateen was influenced radically by Islamic ideology via > the Internet. Control of social media by Wall Street's 0.1% criminals is > the ultimate end. What better way to achieve this than by blackmailing a > hated Muslim "enemy" to murder members of a despised underclass (gays, > lesbians, transgenders) and then speak for the slain assassin that he was > motivated by radical Islam via the Internet.* > > *If you believe this is farfetched, then you must believe the FBI does not > blackmail and murder people like Martin Luther King, and Fred Hampton of > the Black Panthers. And that Israel's Mossad strictly observes > international law in its secret operations. Or that Prince Charles is > qualified for sainthood. Where are those marines when you need them?* > > *Allan T. * > ------------------------------ > > > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Bob Gabuna <[email protected]> wrote: > > I HAVE A DIFFEENT PERSPECTIVE about the Orlando Massacre. > > Yes, the act has something to do with Islam; but, it is an act of one > Islam follower who is torn between his Islam beliefs and his sexual > orientation. > > In Islam faith, being homosexual, according to their beliefs, it is a > gross violation of Allah's will or command. He or she who is a homosexual > is going to Hell. > > But if an Islam follower commits Jihad, regardless of litany of vices > and sins he or she committed in his or her earthly life, they shall enjoy > life in Paradise. > > Mateen (sp?) is an Islam follower; but, he is a homosexual. If my info is > correct, the perpetrator used to frequent the night club for years and > party with his fellow members in the Lesbian and Gay Community. > > But because of the warring conflict in his mind and the religious > teachings he received, he struggled how he is going to Paradise after his > earthly life is over. To redeem himself from his homosexual lifestyle, > Mateen, chose to commit Jihad. > > To conclude this post, let me comment what makes biblical Christian faith > distinct from Islam belief. > > Christianity teaches grace and forgiveness. The Scriptures do not condemn > homosexuals. What is condemned, is: homosexual acts. It is unnatural for a > man to engage in sexual acts with another man or a woman with another > woman. The penis is designed to be embraced by a woman's vagina. > > Sexual Sins - illicit sexual intercourse between man and woman that is > frowned in the Scriptures, is as sinful as the homosexual acts perpetrated > by Lesbians and Gay people. But, homosexual Christians need not resort to > killing fellow gay or lesbian churchgoers to redeem them from their sinful > lifestyle. Homosexuals or heterosexuals alike to be forgiven simply need to > appropriate God's grace and forgiveness and turn away from sinful lifestyle. > > In Islam faith, there is no such thing as forgiveness? > > > -Bob Gabuna > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:49:23 -0700 > Subject: Re: What to do about Orlando > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > > *Danding, a magnificent idea!!, Let's land you in Syria among the ISIS > fighters and tell them what you intend to do. Pssst! don't tell them that > your wife take you to the church by the ears on Sundays.* > > *...HMC* > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Eduardo Gimenez < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Oyong, > > Here we go again. Focus on the small and do not touch the important and > large ideas. Here are the important and large ideas in big bold red: > > *"How does the continuing massive American terrorism in the Middle East > help solve the terrorism problem in the US and in Europe? Would we not be > better served by a US led Marshall Plan landing half a million men in Iraq, > Aghanistan, Syria and Libya with tools of construction instead of weapons > of war? Announcing to all… “we are here to rebuild your destroyed land.”* > > *Tell them as your troops land… shout it from every rooftop and from every > minaret: * > > *"Give us your tired, your poor,* > *Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,* > *The wretched refuse of your broken cities.* > *Send these, the homeless, the hungry, the angry,* > *Give them to us. We will hire them to help make* > *Your land as it once was, a home for poets* > *And thinkers and writers…”* > > *Then sit back and watch ISIS evaporate. Watch as billions of dollars > from our Department of Defense budget becomes available for rebuilding our > own land, our physical structures; our health and education structures. * > > *Danding* > > > *From:* Honorio Cruz [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:24 PM > <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Mariano Patalinjug < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: What to do about Orlando > > *Danding, Cesar L,* > > *I think the term we are talking about is "Radical Islam", to clarify so > we could understand each other, it is Extremist Islam, and to go further, > it's Islam practiced in the days of Muhammad. So many of the followers of > Islam, so many of whom have nothing much to lose, and many genuine Muslim > Fundamentalist including the educated ones, would like to go back to their > roots. Nothing is wrong with that wish, if they like to practice it among > themselves, in the days of Muhammad, they didn't know any better, many > Christians would like to do the same. Unfortunately, for both, time had > moved on, progressed or mutated to what we have now, and beliefs of > seemingly eons ago are now not valid, the genie in the bottle had flown the > coop, having granted the three wishes, we couldn't put him back. Two great > religions, whose roots are almost the exact opposites in their means of > propagating their faith, the Prophet Mohammad and Jesus Christ, two of the > most diverse individuals, who walked the face of the earth. One whose roots > is borne of persecution and violence and the other grew from persecution to > sacrifice and persuasion, later on the two collided in violence of crusades > and counter crusades (Jihads), in an active effort to convert others, and > control territories in the Holy Land, resulting in the two being the more > dominant religions of the world. Yet the two parted in their means of > propagation and direction, after the 13th century, the Christians from > Europe went to the Americas, the Muslims remained in the Middle East and > spread to Southeast Asia.* > > Christianity vs Islam: Chart of Similarities and Differences > <http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/Christianity-Islam-chart.htm> > www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/*Christianity*-*Islam*-chart.htm > 1. > 2. > *You might ask, is the above relevant to the thread and why I posted it. > Maybe we could understand and address the issue instead of talking past > each other. You have the habit of taking a phrase, sentence or paragraph > and ignoring the context of what and why they were made, like the one > below. * > > Islamic Terrorism. Donald Trump is upset about Obama’s failure to use > this phrase. He suggests Orlando happened because Obama has consistently > refused to use it. Trump fails the reality test. Orlando did not happen > because of Islamic terrorism. Orlando happened because of American > terrorism. A terrorism in a scale so vast these days that it has torn > apart the entire Middle East into an ungovernable cauldron of hatred and > revenge...Danding > > *Not only Trump, but majority of the American people are asking the same > question and unlike Obama & Hillary, who would rather hide their head under > the sand and deal with it by ignoring it as another jayvee team, they want > answers. Of course calling it like it is is just part of the solution, if > you can't even call it, then you are ignoring it. Is it because Obama > himself has no clue and wouldn't take advise from the very people he put in > to handle the job? Here is a disconnect, Obama praising his efforts and the > progress he had made in the fight against ISIS and the CIA Chief more glum > in his assessments. Adherents from both sides of the aisles espousing those > views, you and Cesar L, defending the Presidents assessments and the > Republicans and its adherents, the CIA Director. * > > CIA Chief John Brennan Gives War on ISIS an 'F' - The Daily Beast > <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/16/cia-chief-john-brennan-gives-war-on-isis-an-f.html> > www.thedailybeast.com/.../*cia*-*chief*-john-*brennan*-gives-war-on-isis-a > <http://www.thedailybeast.com/.../cia-chief-john-brennan-gives-war-on-isis-a> > .. > > President Barack Obama talks ISIS, 'radical Islam' in impassioned ... > <http://abc7ny.com/news/obama-talks-isis-radical-islam-in-impassioned-speech/1385180/> > abc7ny.com/news/*obama*-*talks*-*isis*-radical-islam-in-impassioned- > *speech*/1385180/ > 1. > > > *Are they both right?? Brennan testified under oath with threat of perjury > if he lied, Obama made his speech as a politician and a partisan. Obama > gave a glowing praise of his accomplishments in the battle against ISIS, in > Iraq, ignoring the rest of the world, a make happy scenario, Brennan, a > glum description of the war against ISIS in the world view. By claiming > progress in the battle with ISIS, (In Iraq), he unwittingly showed the > fallacy of the way he is conducting the war against ISIS and Radical Islam. > In an effort to give himself a medal, he showed how ISIS could be defeated, > by using the resources the US and its allies have. It needs commitment to > accomplish it, not speeches and oratory. * > > *Danding, you made another tunnel view, USA, the Evil Empire conveniently > forgetting the rest of history, the reason for the original shock and awe > in Kuwait and Iraq and pretended as if the Middle East is a place in > heaven, before then. The Middle East is a cauldron of sectarian violence > for centuries, Muslims against Muslims going back to the days after > Muhammad's death, going along the lines of who should succeed him. While > the Iran Iraq War maybe over territory and oil, sectarian conflicts fed it, > Shia Iran and Sunni controlled Iraq. How many died? If I were you Danding, > I would say millions as valid as your million Iraqis killed in the shock > and awe. * > > *Cesar L,** nice try in trying to transform Hillary into something she is > not, as Obama have alluded to, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's > still a pig.* > > *Let's put it this way, Chay, Hillary tried to be a co-president and fell > flat on her face, so please, enough of this. She is piggybacking on her > husband's accomplishments, because she hasn't done much of anything. A > feminist, a champion for women and here she is treading on her husband's > name. What does that say about her qualifications as a women's advocate? > You are confusing as an accomplishment, speaking in a world forum for > women, what exactly came out of that forum, that she had a hand in > formulating. What concrete accomplishment came out of it??? Did it stop the > Muslim's violence on women? Did the Muslim countries enact any laws to stop > violence on women?? * > > *As for Hillary being involved in the hunt for Bin Laden, it is as valid > as her account of being shot at in Bosnia, She couldn't even find her > billing files in her office, nor finding Email requests for better security > in in the American compounds in Libya.* > > *Cesar, what an indictment for a Secretary of State when the main > accomplishment you could cite is logging millions of miles around the > world, to prevent nations from blaming the US for the Arab spring, and > failing at that, with traditional allies uniformly blame the US for the > deterioration of the conditions in the Middle East. Aside from alienating > our allies, our enemies now hate us more. Oh Cesar, enough of putting rouge > and lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig!!* > > *Cesar, I didn't even touch on the pay to play Clinton Foundation. Being > from New Jersey, you should be aware of that political scandal. * > > *With regards to why I used Black Lives Matter, it is not about racism, > you missed the point again!! I used it to highlight how the police and law > enforcement officers are hampered by political correctness and laws that > hamper their ability to prevent crimes. That happened in Orlando. As I > wrote, you can't write laws and expect the problem to disappear, it needs > enforcement, and personnel willing to do the job. * > > *Sorry Chay, I will give you an E for effort for the cause, and for you to > swallow an Obama pill on ISIS shows you how your grip on reality had been > clouded by your political hat. * > > > *....HMC* > > > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: omega is one <[email protected]> > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post • Reply to sender > <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BWorldwide-Filipino-Alliance%5D%20Re%3A%20What%20to%20do%20about%20Orlando> > • Reply to group > <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BWorldwide-Filipino-Alliance%5D%20Re%3A%20What%20to%20do%20about%20Orlando> > • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (13) > ------------------------------ > Have you tried the highest rated email app? <https://yho.com/1wwmgg> > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email > app on the market. 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