This article seems to identify the senator with a child in Iraq as Tim
Johnson of South Dakota.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1840203
The picture on this congressman's website does not at all resemble the
man in this still from the movie
http://johnson.senate.gov/
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/about/clips/
(large central photo)
Dana
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:42:35 -0600, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> it wasn't a petition. He had a recruiter and recruiting materials with
> him. But close enough.
>
> The scene you describe... it's in the trailer? where he says we are
> trying to get congressmen to sign their kids up to go to Iraq and the
> guy gives him a look? You are saying that congressman is the one
> congressman who had a kid over there? Haven't heard that before but if
> this is true I'd have to call this an exception to my previous
> statement that members of congress are also treated with compassion.
> That guy was definitely ambushed. If he is in fact the one congressman
> with a kid in Iraq then it's pretty unfair to imply that he thinks
> Moore is crazy for suggesting the idea. What was this man's name?
> Don't remember noticing it. Are you sure this is the guy with the kid
> overseas?
>
> There *was* another scene with a congressman from Tennessee who is
> initially very warm and and tells the recruiter that he served in
> Vietnam. When Moore says he is trying to get congressmen to sign up
> their kids to Iraq because only one of them has a kid over there, he
> almost whispers "I know" like this has been bothering him too. He
> hesitates, starts to leave, takes the recruiting brochure and as he is
> leaving swats Moore lightly on the arm with it in a gesture that might
> perhaps mean "good point." This guy comes across as very human and was
> who I was thnking of when I said members of congress are portrayed
> with compassion.
>
> So. Dunno if you have seen the movie or read this somewhere, but which
> of these two congressmen had the kid in Iraq, do you know?
>
> And I agree, I see no reason why this movie can't be discussed in a
> courteous manner by people with opposing views. I can't really comment
> on Moore's previous work though, as I have not seen it.
>
> Dana
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:44:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: Know Your Enemy
> To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I've missed this entire thread but I'll put in my 2 cents. Moore's
> 'film' is straight up propaganda designed to manipulate the facts to
> where he wants them to be. Doesn't matter that you come away not
> knowing where he wants you to be. Point is, he presents things out of
> context to make them seem what he wants.
> He was interviewing senators and asking them to sign a petition to
> send their kids to Afghanistan. One senator is shown doing a double
> take and it's basically presented as if he didn't want to. Truth is
> (when the full piece is shown, not in the movie) that he agreed and
> said that his son WAS in Afghanistan. This was cut out as it took away
> from Moore's 'point' of the elite (i.e. political people) not putting
> their kids in harms way.
> This is not a movie, not a documentary, it's straight up media
> manipulation. But that's what Moore's been doing for a bit of time
> now.
>
> Now, if anyone wants to debate me on this, please feel free. If anyone
> wants to call me an idiot, moron, or whatever, then it just proves
> them unable to bring a rational argument. I think that we as a
> community can debate and disagree politely.________________________________
>
>
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