I think that anyone who is having sex with another person needs to be
very certain that the other person agrees.

While we are off on this tangent though... there is perhaps room for
reform in some of the statutes. I read recently about a couple who
became fugitives rather than lose custody of their adopted toddler.
The matter came to light when the son, now grown, applied for a
position that required some sort of clearance. The father served two
years for kidnapping and will have to register as a sexual offender.
Apparently this is required when there is a charge of kidnapping a
child. While I am inclined to sympathize with the birth parents in
this story, there was zero evidence of sexual intent and plenty to
show that this couple strongly felt that they were acting in the
interest of the child. So... register as a sexual offender?

I also feel sorry for the nineteen-year-olds who date
fifteen-year-olds who tell them they are eighteen...

Dana

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:52:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have to disagree.
Those "we were drunk" and "Well she did not resist" are lame excuses to say the
least.

It is still Rape, and Rape is a violent crime.  Horrible misunderstanding does
not even apply in these cases.

Period, end of story.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Beth F

  "Considered violent" and "Is violent" are two different things.

  For example, I give you a situation that happened to a friend of mine:
  Met a girl at a college party, both were very drunk.  Took her back
  to his room, they ended up having sex.  She appeared to be reacting
  consensually to him, she showed some hesitation, but then appeared to
  be reacting appropriately. She spent the night and left the next
  morning, without any ill will.

  he was thrown out of school for "rape", because apparently her
  hesitation (which she appeared to get over quickly) was a "no".

  there was a well publicized case in California where a 17 year old boy
  was convicted of rape because the girl said "I want to go home" during
  the act.  She never fought, never said no, never pushed him away -
  just in the middle of the act said "I want to go home".

  These rapes aren't violent and shouldn't be treated as such.  They are
  horrible misunderstandings between people who need to communicate
  before screwing around, but those men did not committ violent
crimes.________________________________
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