To follow up on this, and this is not a rebuttal or attack, just follow on.
I wonder what you guys think about this issue.

Why would anyone not want to get off drugs and drink?
Or wake up at a prescribed time?
What makes you and me do that?
Why are we so different?

-Gary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:39 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Ouch
>
>
> I've a friend who helped run a day center for homeless in London for a
> year and what he's told me of it pretty much concurs with what you
> mention below.  A similar but different issue in Ireland was an
> initiative to provide housing for traveling itinerants (Irish version of
> Gypsies, as in the movie Snatch) and most of them just don't want to
> settle, so it never really took off.  So now they're provided halting
> sites where they hook up their caravans to water/electricity etc.  (You
> should see the political wars created by site location proposals).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 15:37
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Ouch
>
>
> There's already plenty of money for that.  Most of the assistance
> programs in many urban centers go begging for homeless to participate.
> I did a story about a homeless shelter in San Diego that always had beds
> open while there were hundreds of homeless people in the area.  The
> homeless people were quite up front about why they didn't go to that or
> any other shelter -- all of the shelters expected them to get their
> lives together -- get off drugs/drink, wake up at a prescribed time in
> the morning, do chores, do job training. They didn't want any of that.
>
> Temporary unemployment aside -- in this country, the people who want to
> work and have shelter, do have work and have shelter.  There are endless
> opportunities for people of drive and discipline.
>
> Throwing more money at the homeless isn't going to do one whit of good.
>
> H.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:19 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Ouch
>
>
> > Again -- I say -- since there is no logical reason not to build it,
> > and since it will have so many practical benefits beyond just
> > providing defense -- I say why not build it.
>
> How about spending the money helping homeless people find a living?
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Ouch
>
>
> > Actually, the Lone Gunman had them flying into the WTC.  But the
> terrorists
> > were directing the plane through computer hacking, not through
> > physical presence.  It was the premier episode of the series.  I bet
> > it's never
> shown
> > on TV again.
> >
> > But just because people have thought of it, doesn't have anything to
> > do
> with
> > judging how remote a possibility it is.  Obviously, people have
> > thought of some rich guy buying an ICBM and launching at the U.S.  The
>
> > TV show the Agency had an episode where a terrorist bought an entire
> > Soviet sub, including crew and weapons (the CIA stopped delivery, of
> > course).
> >
> > Again -- I say -- since there is no logical reason not to build it,
> > and since it will have so many practical benefits beyond just
> > providing defense -- I say why not build it.
> >
> > H.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:15 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Ouch
> >
> >
> > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote:
> > >Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was
> "remote
> > >at best."
> >
> > Just a few weeks before the September 11 incident, the television Lone
>
> > Gunman had an episode about a plane flying into a skyscraper.
> >
> > Tom Clancy's book Sum of all Fears ends with a plane being flown by a
> > terrorist into the White House.
> >
> > So obviously some people had thought of it.  The military supposedly
> > even had a scenario for it.
> >
> > My problem with all of this is the government's lack of action to
> > prevent known threats while spinning about how we need to protect
> > against threats that are improbable.
> >
> > It's about priorities, and the government's priorities have been
> > screwed for years.
> >
> > I could give you a list of 50+ scenarios where kamikaze terrorists
> > could bring this country to its knees and the government has no
> > protection against any of them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 
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