I'm not going to get into a big religious debate, nor have I been following this thread very closely, but I just read this post and felt I HAD to point out that "faith", by definition, is not supposed to be logical.
~Simon Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -----Original Message----- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:18 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Religious argument in the US... Why? That is what you've been asking. to quote: > My faith is not based on some pie in the sky, emotional response > to some event. My faith is logical, well reasoned and backed by scientific > and historical evidence. Creation is not a myth. It is an answer. so where is the scientific evidence of creationism? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:09 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Religious argument in the US... Why? > > > Nice try, Beth. Nice try to put words in my mouth. > > H. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > from: "BethF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:27:53 -0900 > > >Evolution is a theory and creationism is a fact, with > evidence to prove it. > > > >Can you show me this evidence? > > > >--Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > >Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > >Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > >Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:36 AM > >Subject: RE: Religious argument in the US... Why? > > > > > >> In response to Larry and Jon: > >> > >> The reason it is the Law of Gravity is that gravity is > real and proven. > >The > >> reason that is the Law of Thermodynamics is that it is > real and it is > >> proven. The reason it is the Theory of Evolution is that > it is a theory > >and > >> unproven. > >> > >> And it's unproven for a reason. You can't prove the improvable. You > >> certainly can't prove a theory that has ample holes in it. > And the biggest > >> hole is, what is the first cause? Scientists can't answer > that question. > >> > >> And I believe and am convinced beyond doubt through all > possible reasoning > >> and human understanding, there is only but one answer as > to the first > >cause, > >> and that is God. It was not until I came to understand, > not just believe, > >> that there was only one logical answer, that I was able to become a > >> Christian. My faith is not based on some pie in the sky, emotional > >response > >> to some event. My faith is logical, well reasoned and > backed by scientific > >> and historical evidence. Creation is not a myth. It is an answer. > >> > >> So, are you going to call me ignorant and narrow minded? > >> > >> When you go around spouting those kinds of insults, you > are going to get > >> people riled. The smartest, best educated people I am > personally friends > >> with are all Christians. That's not to say there are not > terribly bright > >> people who are atheists and Jews and Muslims and what not. > I'm saying > >being > >> smart and well educated and being a Christian are not > mutually exclusive > >> states of being. > >> > >> Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not exactly far > representatives of > >> Christianity or even fundamentalism (I'm not a > fundamentalist, btw, I'm > >> evangelical -- a Nazarene, as for sect). They are money > grubbers and media > >> mongers. They do not represent nor speak for the majority > of Christians > >nor > >> even a majority of fundamentalists. They just have the > loudest voices. The > >> loudest voices always get the majority of the press > coverage. You never > >hear > >> from the majority of Christians in this country because > they are largely > >> quiet people. > >> > >> As for what should be taught, creationism, as broadly > defined, need not be > >> taught as a Christian theory or a Hindu theory, but just > honestly. We do > >not > >> know how the universe began. Some people believe it > started spontaneously. > >> Some people believe that a creator, a being greater than > ourselves is > >> responsible. Some people believe this creator is God. > Mathematically, the > >> odds of spontaneity are almost to mind boggling to even > contemplate, which > >> is why even some of our brightest scientists believe in a creator. > >> > >> Evolution is a theory folks. Only a theory. And it should > be taught as a > >> theory. To teach it otherwise is intellectually dishonest > and to teach our > >> children to embrace ignorance about their universe. > >> > >> H. > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source Step by Step ColdFusion http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
