ok, so you were as stunned as I that Beth and Howard pretty much agreed on something?? <hums "It's a beatiful day" there is peace on the list!>
~~ Stephenie Hamilton Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional -----Original Message----- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:05 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: A new Web log Ok, now hell has REALLY frozen over! ;^) Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 x-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: BethF To: CF-Community Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: A new Web log Howard, I agree with almost everything you said! --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: RE: A new Web log > It doesn't in the least say this is a "Christian country." At most, it says, > our enemies view the U.S. as a Christian country. To our enemies, this is a > religious/cultural war. To them, whether you are a Jew or a Christian (or > even an atheist) doesn't really matter. You are not a Muslim. Therefore you > are an infidel. You deserve death. > > That is what our enemies believe. (Note, I'm not saying all Muslims believe > this, just our enemies, and not all Muslims are our enemy.) > > Our enemies are the enemies of freedom. They are the enemies what we both > believe in, Beth -- religious pluralism and tolerance; freedom of speech and > dress; equality for women. > > Do you watch the West Wing? It's terribly unintellectual of me to cite a > television show, but Toby gave a great speech last night. The key phrase was > "They'll like us when we win." > > Before 9/11 I had this hope that some day the entire world world be free. We > would have peace. Someday, I thought, all nations will be democracies, all > economies capitalist and all legal systems built on justice and the rule of > law. But I didn't believe in forcing the idea. Like many liberals I went > along with the notion of letting other countries define themselves and they > had a right to their brand of government, etc. Who are we to judge. > > Since 9/11, I say BUNK! It's all bull. We must use every resource we can > muster, including military force, to drive fascist and dictatorial regimes > from the face of the earth. At the moment our enemies are the "Axis of Evil" > and the terrorists and fellow travelers. But after we win that war, our > enemies will be countries like Saudi Arabia. We can no longer afford to > support fascist governments like the Saudis. > > I hope who ever is reading this also read the link I posted last night, the > Atlantic essay. It covers much of the territory on why most of the countries > in the Mid-East need radically different governments, governments that > embrace freedom, capitalism and the rule of law. > > Capitalist countries do not fight each other. It has never happened. If we > want peace, we want capitalism the world over. Liberals will whine about > "Americanization" and the loss of other cultures and languages. I say, too > bad. That is a small price to pay for ridding the world of the tyrants, > would be tyrants and leaders who starve their people for their own economic > gain. > > I suppose at point, if this thread continues, some one will raise > objections -- look how horrible things are in the U.S., and they'll point to > this or that failing. I say, don't bother. I know well the failings of the > U.S. These are trivial compared to the failings of every other system of > governance and every other system of economics. People who truly care about > the downtrodden, the oppressed and human rights are people who embrace > capitalism because only capitalism offers true economic hope to people who > might begin life at a disadvantage. > > So, like Toby in the West Wing, I believe, we are right. It is time we stop > this liberal mumbo-jumbo about allowing other people to determine their own > government, because you know what, the only people who truly determine their > own government live in democracies where the rule of law is cherished. We're > not protecting other cultures by propping up corrupt governments; we're > protecting the wealthy few against the poor majority. It's time we just face > facts. We are right. Our system is the best hope for the world. The fascists > and the fundamentalists are wrong. Theirs is the way of destruction and > misery. > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:01 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A new Web log > > > I would guess that most of us have seen propaganda like this before - and > its this kind of attitude that bothers me: > "Let's face it: the liberals will do anything to diminish the importance of > faith-based institutions in this country." > > I dont' think that we horrible liberals want to diminish anyone elses faith > based organization, but we do not feel the government should pay for them - > as it is implied we should in this paragraph. > > And this one: > > " Part of the conventional wisdom, from 9/11 forward, is that the current > war is not a war between Islam and Christendom. We have suspected that the > motive behind this is political correctness, added to a very understandable > desire not to inflame the opinions of a billion Muslims as we wage war > against a much smaller number of them. But sooner or later, the ugly truth > must be confronted. The suicide bombers and fanatics see their attacks as > salvos in a religious conflict. And if one side sees it as a religious war, > does that not make it a religious war? " > > This almost smacks in the face of implying the US is a christian country - > which really offends me. > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:05 PM > Subject: A new Web log > > > > A friend has started a new Web log. So far, it looks promising as far as > > his ability to find interesting things to point readers to. > > > > It is from a conservative and Christian perspective, but even if you > > disagree with both of those concepts, you might be interested in seeing > some > > things you might not otherwise see. Scott is a very smart guy and I think > > he'll do a great job with this. > > > > > > The link is: http://crosstian.com/index.pl?u=cross&process=start > > > > linemonster > > linemonster > > linemonster > > linemonster > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ _____ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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