HEY! there was almost a peace! <beth just had to point that out and rain on my parade!>
~~ Stephenie -----Original Message----- From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: A new Web log Actually there is no peace- no one has bothered apologizing for attributing bigoted statements to me that I never said. --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephenie Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: RE: A new Web log > ok, so you were as stunned as I that Beth and Howard pretty much > agreed on something?? > <hums "It's a beatiful day" there is peace on the list!> > > ~~ > Stephenie Hamilton > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:05 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A new Web log > > > Ok, now hell has REALLY frozen over! > > ;^) > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630-627-5055 x-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BethF > To: CF-Community > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: A new Web log > > > Howard, I agree with almost everything you said! > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:04 PM > Subject: RE: A new Web log > > > > It doesn't in the least say this is a "Christian country." At > most, > it > says, > > our enemies view the U.S. as a Christian country. To our > enemies, > this is > a > > religious/cultural war. To them, whether you are a Jew or a > Christian (or > > even an atheist) doesn't really matter. You are not a Muslim. > Therefore > you > > are an infidel. You deserve death. > > > > That is what our enemies believe. (Note, I'm not saying all > Muslims > believe > > this, just our enemies, and not all Muslims are our enemy.) > > > > Our enemies are the enemies of freedom. They are the enemies > what we > both > > believe in, Beth -- religious pluralism and tolerance; > freedom of > speech > and > > dress; equality for women. > > > > Do you watch the West Wing? It's terribly unintellectual of > me to > cite a > > television show, but Toby gave a great speech last night. The > key > phrase > was > > "They'll like us when we win." > > > > Before 9/11 I had this hope that some day the entire world > world be > free. > We > > would have peace. Someday, I thought, all nations will be > democracies, all > > economies capitalist and all legal systems built on justice > and the > rule > of > > law. But I didn't believe in forcing the idea. Like many > liberals I > went > > along with the notion of letting other countries define > themselves > and > they > > had a right to their brand of government, etc. Who are we to > judge. > > > > Since 9/11, I say BUNK! It's all bull. We must use every > resource > we can > > muster, including military force, to drive fascist and > dictatorial > regimes > > from the face of the earth. At the moment our enemies are the > "Axis > of > Evil" > > and the terrorists and fellow travelers. But after we win > that war, > our > > enemies will be countries like Saudi Arabia. We can no longer > afford > to > > support fascist governments like the Saudis. > > > > I hope who ever is reading this also read the link I posted > last > night, > the > > Atlantic essay. It covers much of the territory on why most > of the > countries > > in the Mid-East need radically different governments, > governments > that > > embrace freedom, capitalism and the rule of law. > > > > Capitalist countries do not fight each other. It has never > happened. > If we > > want peace, we want capitalism the world over. Liberals will > whine > about > > "Americanization" and the loss of other cultures and > languages. I > say, too > > bad. That is a small price to pay for ridding the world of > the > tyrants, > > would be tyrants and leaders who starve their people for > their own > economic > > gain. > > > > I suppose at point, if this thread continues, some one will > raise > > objections -- look how horrible things are in the U.S., and > they'll > point > to > > this or that failing. I say, don't bother. I know well the > failings > of the > > U.S. These are trivial compared to the failings of every > other > system of > > governance and every other system of economics. People who > truly > care > about > > the downtrodden, the oppressed and human rights are people > who > embrace > > capitalism because only capitalism offers true economic hope > to > people who > > might begin life at a disadvantage. > > > > So, like Toby in the West Wing, I believe, we are right. It > is time > we > stop > > this liberal mumbo-jumbo about allowing other people to > determine > their > own > > government, because you know what, the only people who truly > determine > their > > own government live in democracies where the rule of law is > cherished. > We're > > not protecting other cultures by propping up corrupt > governments; > we're > > protecting the wealthy few against the poor majority. It's > time we > just > face > > facts. We are right. Our system is the best hope for the > world. The > fascists > > and the fundamentalists are wrong. Theirs is the way of > destruction > and > > misery. > > > > H. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:01 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A new Web log > > > > > > I would guess that most of us have seen propaganda like this > before > - and > > its this kind of attitude that bothers me: > > "Let's face it: the liberals will do anything to diminish the > importance > of > > faith-based institutions in this country." > > > > I dont' think that we horrible liberals want to diminish > anyone > elses > faith > > based organization, but we do not feel the government should > pay for > them - > > as it is implied we should in this paragraph. > > > > And this one: > > > > " Part of the conventional wisdom, from 9/11 forward, is that > the > current > > war is not a war between Islam and Christendom. We have > suspected > that the > > motive behind this is political correctness, added to a very > understandable > > desire not to inflame the opinions of a billion Muslims as we > wage > war > > against a much smaller number of them. But sooner or later, > the ugly > truth > > must be confronted. The suicide bombers and fanatics see > their > attacks as > > salvos in a religious conflict. And if one side sees it as a > religious > war, > > does that not make it a religious war? " > > > > This almost smacks in the face of implying the US is a > christian > country - > > which really offends me. > > > > > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:05 PM > > Subject: A new Web log > > > > > > > A friend has started a new Web log. So far, it looks > promising as > far > as > > > his ability to find interesting things to point readers to. > > > > > > It is from a conservative and Christian perspective, but > even if > you > > > disagree with both of those concepts, you might be > interested in > seeing > > some > > > things you might not otherwise see. Scott is a very smart > guy and > I > think > > > he'll do a great job with this. > > > > > > > > > The link is: > http://crosstian.com/index.pl?u=cross&process=start > > > > > > linemonster > > > linemonster > > > linemonster > > > linemonster > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > _____ > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by > CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. > > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists > > _________________________________________________________________ _____ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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