wow... you sitting up nights worrying over this? <g> I have to catch the 5:22 train. What's your excuse? Oh ya, new baby....
wanders off... On 1/29/07, Denshtarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/28/07, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 1/27/07, Denny Valliant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > .... > > > Remember Al Gores lock box? He didn't come up with that because the > > republicans were raiding the SS funds. He came up with it because > > Clinton did. When the Internet was fresh and companies were dumping > > > First off, sorry for being so short. > > I'm not saying Clinton was some angel. I think if you look at the law, > really, you'll see most presidents since X have been breaking it. I > remember reading a pretty cool article about the FBI. And I keep > mentioning the FedRez. > > Anyways, Bush Jr. was just plain irresponsible with our finances. > > More irresponsible than Clinton, even! If that makes my point. > .... > > > As for our global standing, Clinton downgraded the military, did > > little when we were attacked and played nicely with Arafat and China. > > In other words he weakened our position as the worlds only superpower > > and other countries like that. I don't because I'm not sure how much I > > can trust the next super power. > > > I too wonder about Clinton and China. But as another thread is > starting to tie in-- this /is/ a "global community" now. We gotta start > acting like it. =-/ > .... > > > Clinton is the one that raided the SS fund. Bush wanted to fix it and > > the Dems fought like hell to leave it broken. See the problem there. > > > Bush Jr. /wanted/ to fix it. Poor dude, surrounded by yes men but > still draws a no. Almost magically. Those dems really been giving > him a tough time, like the reps did to Clinton. Not. > I wish tho. > > > The tuna industry that lobbied really hard to get off the list. > > > What about those "other" industries? Why was Tuna special? > > > And isn't that sorta anti-capitalistic --manipulating the market? > > > > Not true and I published the link to prove it. You should be concern > > about how the tuna industry almost got away without a minimum wage > > increase. > > > So what's this?: > > "... the dilemma that we have is that to lower the action levels, so they're > protective of fetuses, it would actually put the availability of certain > kinds of fish in question. We would lose some fish." Then he is asked: "Like > King Mackeral [sic], shark, and swordfish?" He replies, "Well, those in > particular, but also tuna." (emphasis added, Macro International, Inc. 2000i > - Boston, November 8, 8 pm, pg > 65<http://www.ewg.org/reports/FocusPocus/pages/FDA110800_8pm_page65.pdf> > ). > Don't tell me there's no tom foolery going on there. > > Wages are a topic for another thread. l-) > > > I don't buy that, sorry. By supporting Israel, we're getting all sticky > > > with... stuff. Gross stuff. And I like how you avoided the whole > > > religious aspect as to why Bush Jr. is so "concerned" with Israel. > > > > Because religion has nothing to do with it. > > > BS! Sorry, but if you're saying Bush Jr. doesn't let religion effect his > choices, I think you are mistaken. I don't know if he "believes" of course. > > > Bush Jr. IS pretty religious, right? That would be hard to refute at > > > this point. So, since he had to pull his religion into it, we have to > > > think about the aspects of his "faith". And don't tell me his faith > > > isn't concerned with Israel, and not in a canary/mine-shaft way. > > > > Now you're implying that as a born again Christian, they want to > > create Armageddon in Israel so the world can end and they can go to > > heaven. That would make you either gullible or nuts. It's odd how > > > there was a space right there? Sorta like /god/ put it there for me, man! > > I mean, isn't quite a bit of this bull shit about religion? Sure, there's > the whole, "financial" and "stability" "hidden" aspects, but I thought > the main deal was a problem with people who mix religion with statesmanship. > > Israel just wants peace and they're not very religious. Yet many > > nations want to destroy them because they're Jews and you seem to be > > ok with that. As long as you see it as a religious war it's fine. But > > > What? I don't see it as anything. A tough situation, sure. You can > look at history and see how things came to be that way tho. > I'm actually warning of the dangers of seeing it as a war over religion. > > Perhaps a war over A Religion, controlling a government made up of various > religions. That's cool. I really don't like law makers interpreting gods > will > to create law. That's kinda dumb. "Um, yeah, god said, like, all your > base are belong to us". > > look at it another way. Palestinians aren't allowed citizenship in any > > Arab nation yet they are in Israel. They aren't allowed to vote in > > other Arab nation but they are in Israel. > > > Yeah... look how stoked they are! It's only a matter of time till they > win their hearts and minds! Heck, it's not like this is one of those > age old battles over /land/, right? ( Mostly by the people drawing the > lines on the map, vs. the folks actually living in those lines! (as > always:)) > > So do you think the nice folks blowing up women and children are the > > good guys or are they all evil? > > > Well, that depends. Sometimes that's us. How did that line go? "have > you killed people?" "Yes- but they were all bad". True Lies. Hehehe. > > I certainly don't think it's something that should be done on a daily basis. > > Which makes me appreciate how lucky we are, many of us, spread out > about this planet. > > > Why do you think Israel is more important than any of the others? > > > (since that show on PBS about the history of the region-- Turkey > > > sounds pretty interesting. We'll have to ask O to the funky G to > > > elaborate ;) > > > > We actually work with most of the Middle Eastern countries. Remember > > Kuwait? > > > And should I go google for the the dollar counts of aid? I'm sure we give > just as much to Kuwait. (sly wink). > > Seriously, Turkey (if I was paying attn) managed to de-religiousitize it's > government. Seems to me that's a big part of the problem in that one, > kinda /small/ area of the globe we call the middle east( although, the > middle of what?, and east of what? We're on a freaking globe.:). > > There's actually quite a bit going on elsewhere, but you know how our > attention spans are. And money and whatnot. Oh, wait, it's about the > principal, and fighting "terror". Heh. Bet some kid somewhere is > "terrified" > of not getting enough grub and thus dying-- does that count? The > terrierests > are using Hunger! We gotta fight 'em with bread! > And potatoes. > > > No, every group may /want/ power, or some other sorta glass-half-empty- > > > type-of-deal, but not all are able to use people's emotions and tragic > > events > > > to usurp things that rightly belong to others. Normally there are > > checks and > > > balances. I must not remember when Clinton tried to say that legally he > > > didn't have to answer to an entire arm of the government, as I thought > > we'd > > > > Didn't he spend most of his presidency trying not to answer question > > by the courts. When he finally did he just lied and pressured his > > witness to lie. > > > Ha! I thought you'd bring up the bit about waging a war without the > approval > of congress, or NAFTA or something. Don't try to compare the lies of a > personal nature with the lies of the sort Bush Jr. has professed. Really > Sam, > it doesn't compare. > > How did Clinton's lies effect /my/ freedom? > .... > > > I never said everyone does it and I don't agree with your assessment > > that Bush is ignoring the judiciary. > > > Well, ok. You like the idea of having your phone tapped? Maybe you > wouldn't mind if some g-man tapped your mom's phone, learned of an > affair with the gardener, and then blackmailed your mom into voting for > a gnostic democrat president? If it were up to "them", you'd never learn > the power was abused-- For National Security, of course. To keep you > safe. > > Lilly livered bastards taking our liberties. Fnord patriot act. > This latest crop of them has been the worst. Don't defent them, Sam! > > > And Ironically, the Neo-cons have taken us down several notches as > > > "the worlds only super power". We might not be the "only one" any > > > more. We certainly lost a good bit of moral ground, one of the best > > > things we had going for us. Thanks alot, Neo-Cons! Way to protect > > > and strengthen a great country! Woot! Soooo much better now!!! > > > > Are you mixing military might with moral support? Didn't they say that > > about that cowboy Ronald Reagan until the wall came down? Sometimes > > you have to confront the enemy to make a change for the better. Or you > > can sit back and do nothing for decades. > > > Ah, but the devil's in the details. Hrm. Good line for Gruss. =] > > Our culture had more of an impact on the wall than anything else. > Well, that and them putting the military in charge. Smooth move X-lax! > > And now look. Latest fashion comes from the east! Bill started it, > and bush was so wrapped up with his private crusade he didn't even > notice. If you subscribe to that whole power struggle whatnot. > > Yup, Bush Jr. pretty much sucked the marrow out of an already > pretty skeletal assemblage... well, it wasn't just him. No, it was > a team effort. 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