When was the last time that happened?  I hasn't been in my lifetime.

As for the men, I agree.  The current Pope is playing a little too much with 
the Vatican II reforms.  I will also point out that Pope John Paul II made much 
the same statements during his first year as Pope.  He followed them with more 
ecuminical statements later.

finally, there is no "wierd devotion" to the Pope.  He is our human leader 
chosen for his theological traits.  Completely human and fallible.  There are 
rare times when the Pope will be expected to speak "ex cathedra."  These are 
very rare and affect areas of church dogma.  This will always follow a period 
of prayer and careful deliberation.  It is never done lightly or on a subject 
besides dogma.  If it were, the church would, correctly, reject it.

>You want arrogance, wait until the Pope speaks "ex cathedra".....then he's
>infallible.
>
>I like Catholics, but their weird devotion to the Pope is...well...puzzling.
>That being said, JP 2 was a saint of a man...just phenomenal. Benny The 16th
>isn't off to a very rousing start imho.
>
>On 7/17/07, Russel Madere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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