Wouldn't that be a great irony.....the people we rushed in to "free from tyranny" would be the same people we'd be annihilating....
On 9/13/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't understand why we have nukes if we aren't going to use them. I wish > Americans were just plain-old fashioned badasses.. everybody already hates > us, what's the difference? Our troops are more important than saving face. > > - Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:16 PM > Subject: RE: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > > > >I have very strong feelings on this issue and I do tend to let them run > > things sometimes. > > > > My arguments, what arguments are to be made? It seems there are two > > sides. > > Those that want out and those that want to stay. I honestly consider it > > offensive and unpatriotic to want to pull out now. I find there to be > > something deficient in people that can think this way. My point is I > > don't > > care about the arguments for or against. I care that I killed people. > > That > > my friends have died and been wounded. The motivations at this point mean > > little to me. > > > > Why be civil? We're talking about war. Not a tea party. How would I run > > things? > > > > Define who our enemies are. In my view that would currently include Iran, > > Syria, some of Lebanon, some of Pakistan, Palestine, and various > > non-governmental terror groups. > > > > State in a declaration of war the names of the nations and organizations > > we > > are fighting. That way we know who our targets are, and our goal becomes > > dismantling those governments and organizations to the point that they can > > no longer operate. > > > > Begin drafting all males 18-30 let's say. Yes, I mean all of them. 2 > > years > > out of school isn't going to hurt you in the long run, unless you're > > killed > > or wounded. > > > > Identify strategic resources, oil, steel and so forth. Begin rationing > > and > > turn in support of the war effort. > > > > Establish headquarters in Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq where you will > > marshal > > troops and handle logistics. > > > > Use our conventional first strike capabilities to destroy the > > infrastructure > > of the nations and groups involved. > > > > Invade ALL locations where the nations and organizations are operating. > > > > Begin stability and security operations - Marshall plan 2 > > > > Open large scale reeducation camps across the middle east. > > > > That's how a nation would go to war. > > > > Now the stuff you don't want to hear. I think less of men that haven't > > worn > > the uniform, especially in time of war. We have this great nation, all > > these freedoms and rights, but no one wants to sacrifice to earn it > > anymore. > > Whether you're talking about our immigration arguments, or the common > > citizen. Our country is full of weak people that want everything handed > > to > > them, and don't want to ever face adversity. In the days after Sept. 11th > > this country rallied, but even then you could see that it was BS. > > > > 3000 dead, and we let the Taliban start coming back? > > > > How many attacks and cease fire violations should we have allowed the > > Iraqis > > to carry out before we did something? > > > > I flip out, I'm nuts, blah blah blah. > > > > When it comes right down to it my response (no retreat, no surrender) is > > an > > emotional one. Why did I go there and do what I did if the civilians are > > only going to change their minds now? If these wars are illegal, am I a > > war > > criminal? If we don't win what does that make me? > > > > So yes, this is an emotional, personal argument. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 AM > >> To: CF-Community > >> Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > >> > >> I am tired of "gung-ho" Americans deciding that people who disagree > >> wit hthem are "wusses", "cut and runners", and "throwing in the > >> towel". > >> > >> It is exactly that sort of talk that gets every so mad. > >> > >> Sure, put forward your arguments. But keep it civil. You are not doing > >> _anyone_ any good with that sort of language. > >> > >> It really just shows that you have no ideas, just feelings. (Or so it > >> seems). > >> > >> So, you say we need to stay, and we need to win. OK. Tell me how. > >> > >> On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > No, I don't have great benefits, The point you are remembering, I > >> had > >> > gotten out of the army and didn't have any benefits. > >> > > >> > He said taking away soldiers benefits, I wasn't a soldier. The VA > >> sucks, > >> > but it's a different topic. > >> > > >> > I'm sorry for harsh language but I am sick and tired of wuss > >> Americans > >> > wanting to throw in the towel. > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM > >> > > To: CF-Community > >> > > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > >> > > > >> > > You have great benefits? > >> > > > >> > > I seem to remember some dark days where you were not all that > >> enthused > >> > > with the treatment you had available and were getting. > >> > > > >> > > Am I misremembering that? Or are you? > >> > > > >> > > Pretty harsh language, there, too. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > In the 8 years I was enlisted my benefits only got better, never > >> > > worse. > >> > > > Maybe not as good as we wanted but they increased. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productID=1522&loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:242386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
