eh. The beating will continue until morale improves. On 9/13/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't that be a great irony.....the people we rushed in to "free > from tyranny" would be the same people we'd be annihilating.... > > On 9/13/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't understand why we have nukes if we aren't going to use them. I wish > > Americans were just plain-old fashioned badasses.. everybody already hates > > us, what's the difference? Our troops are more important than saving face. > > > > - Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:16 PM > > Subject: RE: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > > > > > > >I have very strong feelings on this issue and I do tend to let them run > > > things sometimes. > > > > > > My arguments, what arguments are to be made? It seems there are two > > > sides. > > > Those that want out and those that want to stay. I honestly consider it > > > offensive and unpatriotic to want to pull out now. I find there to be > > > something deficient in people that can think this way. My point is I > > > don't > > > care about the arguments for or against. I care that I killed people. > > > That > > > my friends have died and been wounded. The motivations at this point mean > > > little to me. > > > > > > Why be civil? We're talking about war. Not a tea party. How would I run > > > things? > > > > > > Define who our enemies are. In my view that would currently include Iran, > > > Syria, some of Lebanon, some of Pakistan, Palestine, and various > > > non-governmental terror groups. > > > > > > State in a declaration of war the names of the nations and organizations > > > we > > > are fighting. That way we know who our targets are, and our goal becomes > > > dismantling those governments and organizations to the point that they can > > > no longer operate. > > > > > > Begin drafting all males 18-30 let's say. Yes, I mean all of them. 2 > > > years > > > out of school isn't going to hurt you in the long run, unless you're > > > killed > > > or wounded. > > > > > > Identify strategic resources, oil, steel and so forth. Begin rationing > > > and > > > turn in support of the war effort. > > > > > > Establish headquarters in Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq where you will > > > marshal > > > troops and handle logistics. > > > > > > Use our conventional first strike capabilities to destroy the > > > infrastructure > > > of the nations and groups involved. > > > > > > Invade ALL locations where the nations and organizations are operating. > > > > > > Begin stability and security operations - Marshall plan 2 > > > > > > Open large scale reeducation camps across the middle east. > > > > > > That's how a nation would go to war. > > > > > > Now the stuff you don't want to hear. I think less of men that haven't > > > worn > > > the uniform, especially in time of war. We have this great nation, all > > > these freedoms and rights, but no one wants to sacrifice to earn it > > > anymore. > > > Whether you're talking about our immigration arguments, or the common > > > citizen. Our country is full of weak people that want everything handed > > > to > > > them, and don't want to ever face adversity. In the days after Sept. 11th > > > this country rallied, but even then you could see that it was BS. > > > > > > 3000 dead, and we let the Taliban start coming back? > > > > > > How many attacks and cease fire violations should we have allowed the > > > Iraqis > > > to carry out before we did something? > > > > > > I flip out, I'm nuts, blah blah blah. > > > > > > When it comes right down to it my response (no retreat, no surrender) is > > > an > > > emotional one. Why did I go there and do what I did if the civilians are > > > only going to change their minds now? If these wars are illegal, am I a > > > war > > > criminal? If we don't win what does that make me? > > > > > > So yes, this is an emotional, personal argument. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 AM > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > > >> > > >> I am tired of "gung-ho" Americans deciding that people who disagree > > >> wit hthem are "wusses", "cut and runners", and "throwing in the > > >> towel". > > >> > > >> It is exactly that sort of talk that gets every so mad. > > >> > > >> Sure, put forward your arguments. But keep it civil. You are not doing > > >> _anyone_ any good with that sort of language. > > >> > > >> It really just shows that you have no ideas, just feelings. (Or so it > > >> seems). > > >> > > >> So, you say we need to stay, and we need to win. OK. Tell me how. > > >> > > >> On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > No, I don't have great benefits, The point you are remembering, I > > >> had > > >> > gotten out of the army and didn't have any benefits. > > >> > > > >> > He said taking away soldiers benefits, I wasn't a soldier. The VA > > >> sucks, > > >> > but it's a different topic. > > >> > > > >> > I'm sorry for harsh language but I am sick and tired of wuss > > >> Americans > > >> > wanting to throw in the towel. > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM > > >> > > To: CF-Community > > >> > > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > > >> > > > > >> > > You have great benefits? > > >> > > > > >> > > I seem to remember some dark days where you were not all that > > >> enthused > > >> > > with the treatment you had available and were getting. > > >> > > > > >> > > Am I misremembering that? Or are you? > > >> > > > > >> > > Pretty harsh language, there, too. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > > In the 8 years I was enlisted my benefits only got better, never > > >> > > worse. > > >> > > > Maybe not as good as we wanted but they increased. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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