Shouldn't the goal of war be to annihilate our enemy? That would be so much easier than winning their hearts and minds, and cheaper as well.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > eh. The beating will continue until morale improves. > > On 9/13/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Wouldn't that be a great irony.....the people we rushed in to "free >> from tyranny" would be the same people we'd be annihilating.... >> >> On 9/13/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I don't understand why we have nukes if we aren't going to use them. I >> > wish >> > Americans were just plain-old fashioned badasses.. everybody already >> > hates >> > us, what's the difference? Our troops are more important than saving >> > face. >> > >> > - Matt >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:16 PM >> > Subject: RE: Today's Patraeus: Wow. >> > >> > >> > >I have very strong feelings on this issue and I do tend to let them >> > >run >> > > things sometimes. >> > > >> > > My arguments, what arguments are to be made? It seems there are two >> > > sides. >> > > Those that want out and those that want to stay. I honestly consider >> > > it >> > > offensive and unpatriotic to want to pull out now. I find there to >> > > be >> > > something deficient in people that can think this way. My point is I >> > > don't >> > > care about the arguments for or against. I care that I killed >> > > people. >> > > That >> > > my friends have died and been wounded. The motivations at this point >> > > mean >> > > little to me. >> > > >> > > Why be civil? We're talking about war. Not a tea party. How would >> > > I run >> > > things? >> > > >> > > Define who our enemies are. In my view that would currently include >> > > Iran, >> > > Syria, some of Lebanon, some of Pakistan, Palestine, and various >> > > non-governmental terror groups. >> > > >> > > State in a declaration of war the names of the nations and >> > > organizations >> > > we >> > > are fighting. That way we know who our targets are, and our goal >> > > becomes >> > > dismantling those governments and organizations to the point that >> > > they can >> > > no longer operate. >> > > >> > > Begin drafting all males 18-30 let's say. Yes, I mean all of them. >> > > 2 >> > > years >> > > out of school isn't going to hurt you in the long run, unless you're >> > > killed >> > > or wounded. >> > > >> > > Identify strategic resources, oil, steel and so forth. Begin >> > > rationing >> > > and >> > > turn in support of the war effort. >> > > >> > > Establish headquarters in Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq where you will >> > > marshal >> > > troops and handle logistics. >> > > >> > > Use our conventional first strike capabilities to destroy the >> > > infrastructure >> > > of the nations and groups involved. >> > > >> > > Invade ALL locations where the nations and organizations are >> > > operating. >> > > >> > > Begin stability and security operations - Marshall plan 2 >> > > >> > > Open large scale reeducation camps across the middle east. >> > > >> > > That's how a nation would go to war. >> > > >> > > Now the stuff you don't want to hear. I think less of men that >> > > haven't >> > > worn >> > > the uniform, especially in time of war. We have this great nation, >> > > all >> > > these freedoms and rights, but no one wants to sacrifice to earn it >> > > anymore. >> > > Whether you're talking about our immigration arguments, or the common >> > > citizen. Our country is full of weak people that want everything >> > > handed >> > > to >> > > them, and don't want to ever face adversity. In the days after Sept. >> > > 11th >> > > this country rallied, but even then you could see that it was BS. >> > > >> > > 3000 dead, and we let the Taliban start coming back? >> > > >> > > How many attacks and cease fire violations should we have allowed the >> > > Iraqis >> > > to carry out before we did something? >> > > >> > > I flip out, I'm nuts, blah blah blah. >> > > >> > > When it comes right down to it my response (no retreat, no surrender) >> > > is >> > > an >> > > emotional one. Why did I go there and do what I did if the civilians >> > > are >> > > only going to change their minds now? If these wars are illegal, am >> > > I a >> > > war >> > > criminal? If we don't win what does that make me? >> > > >> > > So yes, this is an emotional, personal argument. >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 AM >> > >> To: CF-Community >> > >> Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. >> > >> >> > >> I am tired of "gung-ho" Americans deciding that people who disagree >> > >> wit hthem are "wusses", "cut and runners", and "throwing in the >> > >> towel". >> > >> >> > >> It is exactly that sort of talk that gets every so mad. >> > >> >> > >> Sure, put forward your arguments. But keep it civil. You are not >> > >> doing >> > >> _anyone_ any good with that sort of language. >> > >> >> > >> It really just shows that you have no ideas, just feelings. (Or so >> > >> it >> > >> seems). >> > >> >> > >> So, you say we need to stay, and we need to win. OK. Tell me how. >> > >> >> > >> On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > No, I don't have great benefits, The point you are remembering, I >> > >> had >> > >> > gotten out of the army and didn't have any benefits. >> > >> > >> > >> > He said taking away soldiers benefits, I wasn't a soldier. The VA >> > >> sucks, >> > >> > but it's a different topic. >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm sorry for harsh language but I am sick and tired of wuss >> > >> Americans >> > >> > wanting to throw in the towel. >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM >> > >> > > To: CF-Community >> > >> > > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > You have great benefits? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I seem to remember some dark days where you were not all that >> > >> enthused >> > >> > > with the treatment you had available and were getting. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Am I misremembering that? Or are you? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Pretty harsh language, there, too. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > > In the 8 years I was enlisted my benefits only got better, >> > >> > > > never >> > >> > > worse. >> > >> > > > Maybe not as good as we wanted but they increased. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:242390 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5