Shouldn't the goal of war be to annihilate our enemy?  That would be so much 
easier than winning their hearts and minds, and cheaper as well.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow.


> eh. The beating will continue until morale improves.
>
> On 9/13/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wouldn't that be a great irony.....the people we rushed in to "free
>> from tyranny" would be the same people we'd be annihilating....
>>
>> On 9/13/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I don't understand why we have nukes if we aren't going to use them. I 
>> > wish
>> > Americans were just plain-old fashioned badasses..  everybody already 
>> > hates
>> > us, what's the difference? Our troops are more important than saving 
>> > face.
>> >
>> > - Matt
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:16 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Today's Patraeus: Wow.
>> >
>> >
>> > >I have very strong feelings on this issue and I do tend to let them 
>> > >run
>> > > things sometimes.
>> > >
>> > > My arguments, what arguments are to be made?  It seems there are two
>> > > sides.
>> > > Those that want out and those that want to stay.  I honestly consider 
>> > > it
>> > > offensive and unpatriotic to want to pull out now.  I find there to 
>> > > be
>> > > something deficient in people that can think this way.  My point is I
>> > > don't
>> > > care about the arguments for or against.  I care that I killed 
>> > > people.
>> > > That
>> > > my friends have died and been wounded.  The motivations at this point 
>> > > mean
>> > > little to me.
>> > >
>> > > Why be civil?  We're talking about war.  Not a tea party.  How would 
>> > > I run
>> > > things?
>> > >
>> > > Define who our enemies are.  In my view that would currently include 
>> > > Iran,
>> > > Syria, some of Lebanon, some of Pakistan, Palestine, and various
>> > > non-governmental terror groups.
>> > >
>> > > State in a declaration of war the names of the nations and 
>> > > organizations
>> > > we
>> > > are fighting.  That way we know who our targets are, and our goal 
>> > > becomes
>> > > dismantling those governments and organizations to the point that 
>> > > they can
>> > > no longer operate.
>> > >
>> > > Begin drafting all males 18-30 let's say.  Yes, I mean all of them. 
>> > > 2
>> > > years
>> > > out of school isn't going to hurt you in the long run, unless you're
>> > > killed
>> > > or wounded.
>> > >
>> > > Identify strategic resources, oil, steel and so forth.  Begin 
>> > > rationing
>> > > and
>> > > turn in support of the war effort.
>> > >
>> > > Establish headquarters in Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq where you will
>> > > marshal
>> > > troops and handle logistics.
>> > >
>> > > Use our conventional first strike capabilities to destroy the
>> > > infrastructure
>> > > of the nations and groups involved.
>> > >
>> > > Invade ALL locations where the nations and organizations are 
>> > > operating.
>> > >
>> > > Begin stability and security operations - Marshall plan 2
>> > >
>> > > Open large scale reeducation camps across the middle east.
>> > >
>> > > That's how a nation would go to war.
>> > >
>> > > Now the stuff you don't want to hear.  I think less of men that 
>> > > haven't
>> > > worn
>> > > the uniform, especially in time of war.  We have this great nation, 
>> > > all
>> > > these freedoms and rights, but no one wants to sacrifice to earn it
>> > > anymore.
>> > > Whether you're talking about our immigration arguments, or the common
>> > > citizen.  Our country is full of weak people that want everything 
>> > > handed
>> > > to
>> > > them, and don't want to ever face adversity.  In the days after Sept. 
>> > > 11th
>> > > this country rallied, but even then you could see that it was BS.
>> > >
>> > > 3000 dead, and we let the Taliban start coming back?
>> > >
>> > > How many attacks and cease fire violations should we have allowed the
>> > > Iraqis
>> > > to carry out before we did something?
>> > >
>> > > I flip out, I'm nuts, blah blah blah.
>> > >
>> > > When it comes right down to it my response (no retreat, no surrender) 
>> > > is
>> > > an
>> > > emotional one.  Why did I go there and do what I did if the civilians 
>> > > are
>> > > only going to change their minds now?  If these wars are illegal, am 
>> > > I a
>> > > war
>> > > criminal?  If we don't win what does that make me?
>> > >
>> > > So yes, this is an emotional, personal argument.
>> > >
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 AM
>> > >> To: CF-Community
>> > >> Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow.
>> > >>
>> > >> I am tired of "gung-ho" Americans deciding that people who disagree
>> > >> wit hthem are "wusses", "cut and runners", and "throwing in the
>> > >> towel".
>> > >>
>> > >> It is exactly that sort of talk that gets every so mad.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sure, put forward your arguments. But keep it civil. You are not 
>> > >> doing
>> > >> _anyone_ any good with that sort of language.
>> > >>
>> > >> It really just shows that you have no ideas, just feelings. (Or so 
>> > >> it
>> > >> seems).
>> > >>
>> > >> So, you say we need to stay, and we need to win. OK. Tell me how.
>> > >>
>> > >> On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >> > No, I don't have great benefits,  The point you are remembering, I
>> > >> had
>> > >> > gotten out of the army and didn't have any benefits.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > He said taking away soldiers benefits, I wasn't a soldier.  The VA
>> > >> sucks,
>> > >> > but it's a different topic.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'm sorry for harsh language but I am sick and tired of wuss
>> > >> Americans
>> > >> > wanting to throw in the towel.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM
>> > >> > > To: CF-Community
>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > You have great benefits?
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > I seem to remember some dark days where you were not all that
>> > >> enthused
>> > >> > > with the treatment you had available and were getting.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Am I misremembering that? Or are you?
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Pretty harsh language, there, too.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >> > > > In the 8 years I was enlisted my benefits only got better, 
>> > >> > > > never
>> > >> > > worse.
>> > >> > > > Maybe not as good as we wanted but they increased.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 

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