>
> This is really a cheap shot that you've done several times.  Suffice it to
> say that if the clitoris is the only thing you know to stimulate, then
> it's
> not me who's lacking knowledge.

Yes it was cheap and I was about to apologize. I should have said it a bit
differently but the point remains.  There is a distinct difference between
the two.


> and you'll never know if it can be better will you....that choice was made
> for you.

Which avoids my comment of what I have is more than enough. Bottom line is
that we're both arguing from a point of no knowledge unless one of us wan
circumcised later in life. I could ask people I know who have converted but
its not really a conversational thing. "Hey, is sex better or worse for you
since you've been snipped?"

> Why is it that these countries all have circumcision rates above 75%
> >
> > Because circumcision has been shown to reduce AIDs risk and has been
> > pushed
> > heavily in Africa for these reasons. Of course places that have a
> > tradition
> > of circumcision will have a high percentage.
> >
>
> Shouldn't we be pushing condom usage vs circumcision in Africa
> then...."Hey
> baby, it's all right, I'm circumcised, you won't get AIDS, trust me!"

They are. It's a multi-step program and unlike America, condoms are not as
readily available, cheap or even 'respected'

>
>
>
> > >
> > > While Europe and Asia are down below 25%.....Do you see a theme.....
> >
> > Do a correlation with the population growth and/or religious observance
> in
> > Europe and you may have something. Asia on the other hand doesn't have
> the
> > tradition so its numbers are not expected to be high.
> >
>
> That's my point!  It's really all about the religion.  It's a religious
> thing.  The medical community is split on the necessity of the procedure.
> Since this country's main religions believe it's proper, it's acceptable
> to
> hack on an infant.

No, its not all about religion. Mainly, mostly, higher percentage, etc. but
not all. Your statistics may be true but there is no where near enough
information in them to draw any conclusion, let alone that its only
religion.
But your "hack on an infant" statement tells me that no argument I ever make
will change any part of your opinion. It's too extreme.


> One thing has me puzzled though.....since I'm not a believer in a superior
> being, from what I remember being told, God made us in his image.  Why is
> it
> that the first thing we do when a new one of us is born is hack off a
> piece
> of skin and say "He didn't need this anyway"  What is the dogma behind
> this
> tradition?

For Jews it is the sign of the covenant between us as a people and God. For
other religions the reason may differ.
And if we go with your logic we should never change anything about ourselves
as it is changing the image of God we were made in. There are religious
sects that reject medicine on that basis alone. No Jewish sects though. For
us life trumps every law except for three.


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