i guess i feel like they are wholly uncapable of GAUGING whether or
not they are viable and
able to protect/defend and take care of themselves as they havent had
to in forever...

i mean, you are talking about 3 TRIBAL areas that are not going to be
friends ever... they havent
been since mesopotamia was the cool spot... so why now?

part of me feels like the ones who think they know what they are
proclaiming is good dont really
know and when we leave its going to be a freakshow clusterfuck anyway...

i guess i just do not put too much faith in people today who say they
can do something...

i wanna see it, then ill believe.


-- tony

Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh come on, I'm so tired of this "We aren't doing any good" rhetoric. We are
> doing a tremendous amount of good. The fact that the Iraqis are considering
> a timeline for us to leave is a testament to how much good we have done. You
> can't accept the truth of the effect without acknowledging its cause.
>
> We have spent years, thousands of lives, and hundreds of billions of dollars
> to free Iraq from tyranny and give Iraqis a chance to live in a free
> country. The strength of the Iraqi government, their successes in Basra,
> Sadr City, and Mosul, and their movement toward unity and internal peace
> stem directly from the efforts of U.S. and other coalition nations and the
> great sacrifices we have made. Iraq will be a free country because Iraqis
> choose freedom over tyranny, but that freedom would not be possible without
> us.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Maureen  wrote:
>
>> If we were fixing it, I might think staying until the job was done
>> would be the better path.  But we aren't fixing anything, just
>> breaking it worse.  It's time to get the bull out of the china shop.
>>
>> It's impossible to win a war with no defined enemy and no defined
>> goals or outcome.
>
>
> 

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