I don't know why American citizens donated money to the IRA, but I can tell you that 
the actions of the IRA are not supported by the US Government.  That's the difference. 
 I really don't see how the illegal actions of some US citizens donating money to the 
IRA and the actions of Arafat and Palestinian suicide bombers are related.

It's not a matter of perspective.  It is murder, plain and simple.  Whatever 
religion/belief system it is that they subscribe to be it Christianity, Judaism, 
Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, whatever.  I can say with a fair amount 
of certainty that not one of those belief systems would advocate murder.  Do some 
people use those belief systems to promote their vision of hatred? Absolutely.  Is it 
right? Absolutely not.  It is NEVER RIGHT by ANY standard to justify murder.  NEVER!!! 
 You can say it's a matter of perspective all you want, whether you condone it or not, 
there is NOTHING to understand.  These are evil people that do evil things and they 
should not be given even the slightest credibility by saying that "I'm sure they have 
their reasons.  I may not agree with it, 
but they have their reasons."  I don't care what their reasons are.  They are 
murdering innocent people and they must be stopped.
  
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Smyth 
  To: CF-Community 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:15 AM
  Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)


  OK if its a matter of fact, how come american civilians donated so much
  money to the IRA.

  The IRA attacked civilians, the only difference being they were a safe
  distance away from the blast when it went off.

  I still think its a matter of perspective, the palestinians obviously feel
  they have a point, they don't believe they are terrorists when they blow
  themselves up, they feel justified in what they are doing (how they reach
  that conclusion, god knows). 

  If they (and alot of arab countries) do not percieve them as terrorists, how
  can it not be a matter of perspective whether they are terrorists or not? 


  To be honest i'm not sympathetic, its a nightmare situation and like i said
  its just a observation.  To be quite honest if I was there or personally
  involved I would condone extreme action if I was from Israel, simply from a
  self defense point of view.  But if i was a palestinian I might feel the
  same as them.  Who's knows unless you are there and have experienced it
  first hand. 




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 02 April 2002 17:00
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)


  I understand you're not condoning ... but it doesn't depend on perspective,
  it depends on a clear use of the English language -- attacking civilian
  targets with the intent to kill, harass, discourage -- um, terrorize, is
  terrorism. Attacking military targets (whether civilians become "collateral
  damager" or not) is an act of military action, or war, and is not terrorism.
  Regardless of your sympathies toward Palestine, and no matter how justified
  you may believe the Palestinians are to be angry, rebellious, etc., to call
  the suicide bombers anything other than terrorists (such as patriots,
  martyrs or freedom fighters) does a disservice to the honorable men and
  women throughout history who have been such noble things. There is nothing
  noble about blowing yourself up in an attempt to kill civilians. And to call
  Israel's retaliation for these reprehensible attacks anything other than
  just defies logic.

  H.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:42 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)


  >They (the Palistinians) are the terrorists.

  Surely the issue of whether they are terrorists depends on your perspective
  of the situation?  I'm not condoning anything, its just an observation

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: 02 April 2002 16:45
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)


  The fault of those dead prists and nuns lies squarely with the Palistinians
  (and I see a post from MD saying it didn't happen, citing a credible news
  source).  They (the Palistinians) are the terrorists. They have brought it
  on with their totally unjustified suicide bombings.  Israel is acting in
  self defense.  To call Israel actions terrorism is to totally twist the
  English language and shows a profound disrespect for all that is honorable
  and just. If Israeli actions creates more suicide bombers than that only
  demonstrates the total lack of intelligence and morals among the
  Palistinians. Why do you persist in defending such utterly depraved actions?

  H.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: mo mansour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:14 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)


  >How can Israel be wrong when all it is trying to do
  is defend its citizens
  >against immoral attacks?

  H.

  And blowing up people and detaining and terrorizing,
  and starvation,and cutting off the basic human needs
  to exist and executing who they want and leaving
  nothing undestroyed in their path is moral ?
  so you are fighting terrorism with even harsher
  terrorism and against all the people, that is what is
  moral and definding yourself...how many more suicide
  bombers you think this has creatd ?

  Bethlaham where all the killing is going on today, is
  mostly all christians and catholics......

  A Catholic priest has been killed and at least six
  nuns have been wounded during fighting in the West
  Bank town of Bethlehem.

  http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0402/mideast.html

  You think that the priest and those nuns put up a
  "fair fight" ? tanks and machine guns against an old
  priest and nuns, i think thats fighting
  terrorism...sure...Sadly, the death toll in Betlaham
  is now reported as higher than those killed in
  Ramallah....

  like I said, the news usualy take an extra day to make
  the headlines here, but eventualy it does...


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