there was always a question over how much influence, if any, Adams had over the "military" wing of the IRA. From what I understand, the same could be said for Arafat. Is a difficult situation I would imagine. If he, or Adams, denied any influence, then there would be little point in negotiating with them. If they admit influence, then they are also in a potentially difficult situation....
will -----Original Message----- From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 April 2002 18:27 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) Interesting - Adams claims to be the head of the "political" wing of the IRA, and not responsible for the "military" wing. So that gives him a certain patina of legitimacy. Arafat is supposedly head of the Palestinian Authority, and has not denied (AFAIK) responsibility for the militant groups Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. So when they continue violence, and he fails to stop it, he is blamed. However, if Arafat were to "disown" the militant groups, they would kill or replace him in a heartbeat. -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:14 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > >>but I can tell you that the actions of the IRA are not > supported by the US > Government. > Thats actually questionable, Gerry Adams (head of the IRA), > was hosted at > the white house last time he was in america. > > >>I really don't see how the illegal actions of some US > citizens donating > money to the IRA and the >>actions of Arafat and Palestinian > suicide bombers > are related. > People giving money to the IRA is factually the same as > people giving money > and supporting palestinians. The are both providing the > means for murder > > >>I can say with a fair amount of certainty that not one of > those belief > systems would advocate > >>murder. > Unfortunately this is not quite true. The bible has elements > in which can > be interpreted to advocate murder e.g. "An eye for an eye". The Koran > apparently has such problems. Religeous texts are always open to > interpretation > > But I agree with you that what they are doing is wrong, and > inexcusable, > whatever the hell they think they are doing it for. The > whole point i'm > making is that they don't see it like that regardless of what > we think. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 02 April 2002 17:56 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > I would agree with that..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 02 April 2002 17:45 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > I don't know why American citizens donated money to the IRA, > but I can tell > you that the actions of the IRA are not supported by the US > Government. > That's the difference. I really don't see how the illegal > actions of some > US citizens donating money to the IRA and the actions of Arafat and > Palestinian suicide bombers are related. > > It's not a matter of perspective. It is murder, plain and > simple. Whatever > religion/belief system it is that they subscribe to be it > Christianity, > Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, > whatever. I can say > with a fair amount of certainty that not one of those belief > systems would > advocate murder. Do some people use those belief systems to > promote their > vision of hatred? Absolutely. Is it right? Absolutely not. > It is NEVER > RIGHT by ANY standard to justify murder. NEVER!!! You can say it's a > matter of perspective all you want, whether you condone it or > not, there is > NOTHING to understand. These are evil people that do evil > things and they > should not be given even the slightest credibility by saying > that "I'm sure > they have their reasons. I may not agree with it, > but they have their reasons." I don't care what their > reasons are. They > are murdering innocent people and they must be stopped. > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Smyth > To: CF-Community > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:15 AM > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > OK if its a matter of fact, how come american civilians > donated so much > money to the IRA. > > The IRA attacked civilians, the only difference being they > were a safe > distance away from the blast when it went off. > > I still think its a matter of perspective, the palestinians > obviously feel > they have a point, they don't believe they are terrorists > when they blow > themselves up, they feel justified in what they are doing > (how they reach > that conclusion, god knows). > > If they (and alot of arab countries) do not percieve them > as terrorists, > how > can it not be a matter of perspective whether they are > terrorists or not? > > > To be honest i'm not sympathetic, its a nightmare situation > and like i > said > its just a observation. To be quite honest if I was there > or personally > involved I would condone extreme action if I was from > Israel, simply from > a > self defense point of view. But if i was a palestinian I > might feel the > same as them. Who's knows unless you are there and have > experienced it > first hand. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 02 April 2002 17:00 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > I understand you're not condoning ... but it doesn't depend on > perspective, > it depends on a clear use of the English language -- > attacking civilian > targets with the intent to kill, harass, discourage -- um, > terrorize, is > terrorism. Attacking military targets (whether civilians become > "collateral > damager" or not) is an act of military action, or war, and is not > terrorism. > Regardless of your sympathies toward Palestine, and no matter how > justified > you may believe the Palestinians are to be angry, > rebellious, etc., to > call > the suicide bombers anything other than terrorists (such as > patriots, > martyrs or freedom fighters) does a disservice to the > honorable men and > women throughout history who have been such noble things. > There is nothing > noble about blowing yourself up in an attempt to kill > civilians. And to > call > Israel's retaliation for these reprehensible attacks > anything other than > just defies logic. > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:42 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > >They (the Palistinians) are the terrorists. > > Surely the issue of whether they are terrorists depends on your > perspective > of the situation? I'm not condoning anything, its just an > observation > > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 02 April 2002 16:45 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > The fault of those dead prists and nuns lies squarely with the > Palistinians > (and I see a post from MD saying it didn't happen, citing a > credible news > source). They (the Palistinians) are the terrorists. They > have brought it > on with their totally unjustified suicide bombings. Israel > is acting in > self defense. To call Israel actions terrorism is to > totally twist the > English language and shows a profound disrespect for all > that is honorable > and just. If Israeli actions creates more suicide bombers > than that only > demonstrates the total lack of intelligence and morals among the > Palistinians. Why do you persist in defending such utterly depraved > actions? > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mo mansour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:14 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) > > > >How can Israel be wrong when all it is trying to do > is defend its citizens > >against immoral attacks? > > H. > > And blowing up people and detaining and terrorizing, > and starvation,and cutting off the basic human needs > to exist and executing who they want and leaving > nothing undestroyed in their path is moral ? > so you are fighting terrorism with even harsher > terrorism and against all the people, that is what is > moral and definding yourself...how many more suicide > bombers you think this has creatd ? > > Bethlaham where all the killing is going on today, is > mostly all christians and catholics...... > > A Catholic priest has been killed and at least six > nuns have been wounded during fighting in the West > Bank town of Bethlehem. > > http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0402/mideast.html > > You think that the priest and those nuns put up a > "fair fight" ? tanks and machine guns against an old > priest and nuns, i think thats fighting > terrorism...sure...Sadly, the death toll in Betlaham > is now reported as higher than those killed in > Ramallah.... > > like I said, the news usualy take an extra day to make > the headlines here, but eventualy it does... > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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