>>but I can tell you that the actions of the IRA are not supported by the US Government. That's actually questionable, Gerry Adams (head of the IRA), was hosted at the white house last time he was in america.
That's news to me. My understanding was that he had been denied a visa. That's not to say you are wrong, but I just don't remember that status changing recently. Regardless, the simple fact that he was hosted here doesn't equate to support. Since I'm not even aware he came to visit, I can't comment on what was or was not discussed. But we've also hosted Arafat too, so does that mean that our hosting him equates to us supporting his terrorist activities? We've also hosted Jiang Zemin, so does that mean we support the violation of human rights? It's not the fact that he visited. but why he visited and what was discussed. If you can fill me in on that, I would be much obliged. >>I really don't see how the illegal actions of some US citizens donating money to the IRA and the actions of Arafat and Palestinian suicide bombers are related. People giving money to the IRA is factually the same as people giving money and supporting palestinians. The are both providing the means for murder The difference is the sanctioning by a nation state. you're comparing apples to oranges. Individuals who give to those organizations does not equate to the sanctioning or support by their host governments. If Arafat actively sought out to destroy these groups, then I wouldn't have much criticism of him. He says he opposes that to the international community, but says something different locally. >>I can say with a fair amount of certainty that not one of those belief systems would advocate >>murder. Unfortunately this is not quite true. The bible has elements in which can be interpreted to advocate murder e.g. "An eye for an eye". The Koran apparently has such problems. Religeous texts are always open to interpretation Operative word being INTERPRETED, not ADVOCATED!!!! You're associating the two and they are not. Religions do not promote hate a violence, people do. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 ext.-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Smyth To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) >>but I can tell you that the actions of the IRA are not supported by the US Government. Thats actually questionable, Gerry Adams (head of the IRA), was hosted at the white house last time he was in america. >>I really don't see how the illegal actions of some US citizens donating money to the IRA and the >>actions of Arafat and Palestinian suicide bombers are related. People giving money to the IRA is factually the same as people giving money and supporting palestinians. The are both providing the means for murder >>I can say with a fair amount of certainty that not one of those belief systems would advocate >>murder. Unfortunately this is not quite true. The bible has elements in which can be interpreted to advocate murder e.g. "An eye for an eye". The Koran apparently has such problems. Religeous texts are always open to interpretation But I agree with you that what they are doing is wrong, and inexcusable, whatever the hell they think they are doing it for. The whole point i'm making is that they don't see it like that regardless of what we think. -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 April 2002 17:56 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) I would agree with that..... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 April 2002 17:45 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) I don't know why American citizens donated money to the IRA, but I can tell you that the actions of the IRA are not supported by the US Government. That's the difference. I really don't see how the illegal actions of some US citizens donating money to the IRA and the actions of Arafat and Palestinian suicide bombers are related. It's not a matter of perspective. It is murder, plain and simple. Whatever religion/belief system it is that they subscribe to be it Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, whatever. I can say with a fair amount of certainty that not one of those belief systems would advocate murder. Do some people use those belief systems to promote their vision of hatred? Absolutely. Is it right? Absolutely not. It is NEVER RIGHT by ANY standard to justify murder. NEVER!!! You can say it's a matter of perspective all you want, whether you condone it or not, there is NOTHING to understand. These are evil people that do evil things and they should not be given even the slightest credibility by saying that "I'm sure they have their reasons. I may not agree with it, but they have their reasons." I don't care what their reasons are. They are murdering innocent people and they must be stopped. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 ext.-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Smyth To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) OK if its a matter of fact, how come american civilians donated so much money to the IRA. The IRA attacked civilians, the only difference being they were a safe distance away from the blast when it went off. I still think its a matter of perspective, the palestinians obviously feel they have a point, they don't believe they are terrorists when they blow themselves up, they feel justified in what they are doing (how they reach that conclusion, god knows). If they (and alot of arab countries) do not percieve them as terrorists, how can it not be a matter of perspective whether they are terrorists or not? To be honest i'm not sympathetic, its a nightmare situation and like i said its just a observation. To be quite honest if I was there or personally involved I would condone extreme action if I was from Israel, simply from a self defense point of view. But if i was a palestinian I might feel the same as them. Who's knows unless you are there and have experienced it first hand. -----Original Message----- From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 April 2002 17:00 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) I understand you're not condoning ... but it doesn't depend on perspective, it depends on a clear use of the English language -- attacking civilian targets with the intent to kill, harass, discourage -- um, terrorize, is terrorism. Attacking military targets (whether civilians become "collateral damager" or not) is an act of military action, or war, and is not terrorism. Regardless of your sympathies toward Palestine, and no matter how justified you may believe the Palestinians are to be angry, rebellious, etc., to call the suicide bombers anything other than terrorists (such as patriots, martyrs or freedom fighters) does a disservice to the honorable men and women throughout history who have been such noble things. There is nothing noble about blowing yourself up in an attempt to kill civilians. And to call Israel's retaliation for these reprehensible attacks anything other than just defies logic. H. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:42 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) >They (the Palistinians) are the terrorists. Surely the issue of whether they are terrorists depends on your perspective of the situation? I'm not condoning anything, its just an observation -----Original Message----- From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 April 2002 16:45 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) The fault of those dead prists and nuns lies squarely with the Palistinians (and I see a post from MD saying it didn't happen, citing a credible news source). They (the Palistinians) are the terrorists. They have brought it on with their totally unjustified suicide bombings. Israel is acting in self defense. To call Israel actions terrorism is to totally twist the English language and shows a profound disrespect for all that is honorable and just. If Israeli actions creates more suicide bombers than that only demonstrates the total lack of intelligence and morals among the Palistinians. Why do you persist in defending such utterly depraved actions? H. -----Original Message----- From: mo mansour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:14 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0) >How can Israel be wrong when all it is trying to do is defend its citizens >against immoral attacks? H. And blowing up people and detaining and terrorizing, and starvation,and cutting off the basic human needs to exist and executing who they want and leaving nothing undestroyed in their path is moral ? so you are fighting terrorism with even harsher terrorism and against all the people, that is what is moral and definding yourself...how many more suicide bombers you think this has creatd ? Bethlaham where all the killing is going on today, is mostly all christians and catholics...... A Catholic priest has been killed and at least six nuns have been wounded during fighting in the West Bank town of Bethlehem. http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0402/mideast.html You think that the priest and those nuns put up a "fair fight" ? tanks and machine guns against an old priest and nuns, i think thats fighting terrorism...sure...Sadly, the death toll in Betlaham is now reported as higher than those killed in Ramallah.... like I said, the news usualy take an extra day to make the headlines here, but eventualy it does... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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