Clinical trials can only cover so much..... -----Original Message----- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: From the OMFG files
At the same time the current drug regime and approval process was the result of some pretty egregious actions by the drug companies when there was very little drug regulation. The problem now is finding a balance. Moreover a lot of the safety testing, from what I understand, is done from a defensive standpoint, in order to avoid future litigation. I'd hate to be a scientist working for Merck or Hoffman-LaRoche etc and tell the lawyer during due diligence that no we did not test for x y or z. another major problem is that there is no real way to get a dosage effect - while we know how much of that drug may affect acne, how much Accutane does it take to effect affect in a certain portion of the population? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:07 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: From the OMFG files > > > Thanks Larry, > > I tend to agree with you on this one. My take on it is > that some lawyer got wind of this and convinced the parents > that Accutane was the reason. > > The parents are motivated by being able to point the finger > at someone else and not have to look at themselves. IMO, > that will only be temporary. If they were irresponsible in > the sense that they didn't take, what most people would > consider to be, basic steps to intervene, then they will have > to live with that their whole lives. No matter what you > convince others of, you still have to live with the demons within. > > As for the lawyers, well. That's pretty self explanatory. > Big (drug) corporation with deep pockets. They are figuring > the worst thing that will happen is a settlement. > > Those are what I see to be the motivations. I hope that they > (the FDA who ironically approved the drug in the first place, > but don't get me started on self/un regulated governmental > agencies) keep looking into this and either ensure that > appropriate measures are taken or remove the drug if it is > deemed to be more trouble than it's worth. I mean no offense > to anyone here who needed to use it, but it's only acne. > It's not like you'll die. I didn't suffer from it, so it > might be easy for me to say that, but I'm not a big fan of > medication anyways. It just seems like an awful risk for > something that boils down to cosmetic improvements. > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Lyons > To: CF-Community > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:33 PM > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > Michael, > > regarding whether chemical xyz can affect the abc part of > the brain - in a > nutshell yes. You can even try this experiment yourself, > drink about 18 > ounces of very high proof vodka and observe the effects. > Hook an EEG with at > least 256 electrodes and I can start to produce a 3 D > electrical activity > map of the brain. Even better you can use a device called a > functional MRI > and create maps of the neurochemical uptake activity of the > brain. All of > these measures will show changes in the same regions in the > brain. When I > was at Virginia Tech, we were looking at EEG activity in > the brain as it > related to attention and how we process attentional > information. There are > clearly defined neural pathways involved in these > cognitions and behaviors > and they can be traced. > > larry > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:16 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: From the OMFG files > > > > > > Larry, > > > > I know that you have a better understanding of how certain > > chemicals effect the brain, so can there ever be sufficient > > and conclusive evidence that Accutane is the reason for it? > > Can it be shown that chemical xyz effects the abc part of the > > brain? If it can, then they should hold liability. I'm not > > disagreeing here or trying to put some weird spin on it. I > > am just wondering if it can be as simple as saying that. > > Like we know that alcohol effects certain parts of the brain. > > Can the same be said of the acne medicine? > > > > Michael Corrigan > > Programmer > > Endora Digital Solutions > > 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Larry Lyons > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:01 AM > > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > > > > Not excusing the kid, but what if there was a causal link > > between the two. > > Until we get the full story I do not think we should be so > > quick to condemn. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:59 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: From the OMFG files > > > > > > > > > Once again it goes back to the whole "Try to find someone > > > else to blame > > > for your actions, rather than take responsibility > > yourself" mentality > > > that our country seems to have today. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:50 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: From the OMFG files > > > > > > (CNN) -- The mother of a teen-age boy who flew a Cessna > > > aircraft into a > > > Tampa office building filed a $70 million wrongful death and > > > negligence lawsuit Tuesday against the manufacturers of a > > drug the boy > > > took to treat acne. > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/16/teen.pilot.lawsuit/index.html > > > > > > Hmmm, no wonder the US is known as the lawsuit capital of > > the known > > > world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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