I've lived in Canada, lived under their system, and I for one will say ours works better, and I've been unemployed and uninsured here. I'd take ours over that.
You know how I explained my complaints to my wife? Picture how bad our military and veterans health care systems are here in the US. So bad that they are on the news, senate hearings, mass firings. Thats to support around what? 1 million active soldiers, another million in the reserves and guard, and more and more and more in the VA system. Now scale that out to a country of 300 million people. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Michael Grant <[email protected]> wrote: > > Gruss, this is where it becomes clear that you are very confused about what > it is we're all talking about. You are so focused on the current system in > the US that you cannot wrap your head around how notionalised health care > in > Canada and the UK works. There are no "plans." It really doesn't matter > what > hospital has what equipment because there is no "my hospital." If your > local > hospital doesn't have something you need, like some uncommon piece of > equipment, then a doctor will just refer you to one that does. If your > doctor doesn't provide a service you need, then you get referred to one > that > does. You are applying logic to a situation where it doesn't fit then > railing against it. > > I personally think you just like over complicating arguments so you can > tell > everyone that they just don't understand. It seems like your own little way > to feel superior. Well here you go Gruss, you're super double duper smart. > Pat on the head for you. Let's hope you don't get more sick than your bank > account can handle. > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Judah wrote: > > > > > > Gruss, you're being purposefully obtuse. > > > > I'm not, but let me try to be more clear: > > > > If the government is going to decide what plans I can and can't get, > > then I'm against it. > > > > If the government is going to what equipment my hospital can and can't > > buy, then I'm against it. > > > > If the government is going to decide what services my doctor can and > > can't perform, then I'm against it. > > > > If there's anything obtuse it's advocating for something you can't > > define nor understand. > > > > You keep pounding the table for "nationalized health care" and > > "government health care" and I'm just asking for you to define that by > > describing the government's role at each constituent level, what the > > estimated costs might be, and who's going to pay for it when and how > > much. > > > > Since nobody's done that, I'm just asking questions and pointing out > > what you've failed to define. > > > > Be honest here: you don't (or didn't) understand the insurance > > business model and you don't (or didn't) understand how > > Medicare/Medicaid works. Nor the costs, nor the implications of > > expansion. > > > > If I was advocating for government run healthcare, those are 2 > > subjects I wouldn't want to be weak on. > > > > So let's agree: none of us here understand this subject well enough to > > advocate for anything, but we all agree that people are entitled some > > basic form of eligibility to health care benefits as citizens of the > > US. The big question is the best way to go about creating that > > system. > > > > I've thrown out my ideas on how to do that in some earlier post. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:288887 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
