don't worry, everything will sort itself out once we find a good source of 
unobtainium.
On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:

> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote:
>> All the algae farms have gone bankrupt, but we better figure out
>> something fast because the world's demand for energy is exponentially
>> rising while the world's supply is exponentially falling.
> 
> This isn't actually true. World energy demands are growing linearly
> and in many places (such as the United States), energy demand is
> getting close to flat.
> 
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/world.html
> 
> Oregon forecasts to meet something like 80% of the demand created by
> increased population in the next 30 years through conservation
> measures. Increased efficiency and increased conservation can be
> responsible for offsetting the bulk of anticipated population and
> business growth in industrial countries for the foreseeable future.
> 
> Of course if we get serious about wanting to get rid of greenhouse gas
> producing energy that constitutes a significant portion of our
> existing energy infrastructure, we'd have to replace it with
> something. There are certainly a lot of challenges ahead. But
> exponentially increasing energy demand is not one of them.
> 
> As for developing countries, there is certainly a much larger appetite
> for energy consumption there. China seems to be jumping into the fray
> and committing itself to not becoming overly dependent on fossil fuels
> during its continued growth. I'm not really familiar with what is
> going on in India in that respect.
> 
>> And the bad news is the planet's economic growth hinges on one single
>> factor: a growing supply of energy.
> 
> You should not take continued growth as an imperative. There are
> plenty of economic models that produce a very happy populace without a
> rapid increase in GDP. Take a look at Japan's "Lost Decade". GDP
> growth was pretty much non-existent, yet personal income, buying power
> and quality of life metrics increased. All during a period where, in
> the US, GDP continued to increase but per-capita real income
> decreased.
> 
>> So one of two things is going to happen:
>> 
>> (1.) Humans devolve into a cold dark world.
> 
> It was not a cold, dark world prior to fossil fuels you know. There
> are big challenges ahead, to be sure. Threats of devolution and a cold
> dark world do nothing to forward the discussion however.
> 
>> (2.) A new form of energy is invented / discovered and it creates an
>> economic boom.
>> 
>> The problem with # 2 is that inventing / discovering new energy
>> *takes* energy and if that energy is getting more and more scarce then
>> you're in trouble.
>> 
>> Which is why nuclear is so attractive.
> 
> Nuclear power is attractive in a number of ways. I was just discussing
> Thorium reactor design with coworkers on Friday as we perused a
> nuclear physics book. There are a number of other options as well,
> however, and the advances in things like non-polluting dye-based solar
> cells really do point to a capacity to replace fossil fuels with a
> varied approach to energy production, if we have the political will to
> do so.
> 
> There is no need for a doom and gloom scenario. We have options, we
> are generating new options all the time. Gains in efficiency and
> conservation can keep energy consumption stable and allow us time to
> replace outmoded systems without substantial disruption. We just need
> to have the will to plug away and continue to make progress.
> 
> Judah
> 
> 

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