Way before that. But Michael is speaking specifically about the British Mandate of Palestine, and referring to the people as Palestinians, which dates to 1948. That's an argument of semantics more than history. Regardless of what the people are called, they were non-Hebrew people in that area for millennia.
It's pretty standard for the supporters Israel to ignore the existence any peoples who were there when Jehovah granted the promised land to the Hebrews. I frankly have no problem with the US considering Israel in foreign policy decisions, as that region of the world is quite volatile and the State of Israel has many sworn enemies who would like her destroyed. I just don't think that Israel's stance should be the only consideration, and I weary of the "chosen people" rhetoric. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Eric Roberts <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Palestine has been used since the Romans were there... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:52 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obama power drunk on the Middle East > > > The name Palestinians was not used to identify the Arab population of > the area until recently. If you want to say that Arabs lived there, go > ahead. But they did not have a country any more than the Jews did. The > British ruled there, the Turks, the Caliphate, the Crusaders, Greece, > Rome, etc. We're talking occupants, not countries. There were Arabs > and there were Jews. But there was no Palestine in those 2000 years, > at least not an Arab one. > Jordan has not been there a while. It was carved from the British > mandate. look it up. Independence 1946. > >> Palestine has existed for 2000 years. Israel has been non-existent for > 2000 >> years...that makes it artificially created. I would say many in India >> question Pakistan's legitimacy. Jordan has been there for a while. What >> right do the British and the UN have to carve up states and displace > people >> in the process in the first place? > > > Total and utter bullshit. Palestinians have access to medial treatment > inside of Israel besides their own hospitals. Again, look it up. And > what other countries put up walls? Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Moracco, and > the list goes on. And we're talking a fence for over 90% of the > length. > http://www.meforum.org/652/is-israels-security-barrier-unique > > And the Israeli court has moved the fence many times to facilitate > those olive growers you use as an example. Many times to the detriment > of Jews. > > >> What other countries put up a wall, preventing access to hospitals, places >> of work, olive groves, etc. Last wall like that I could think of was the >> Berlin was and a lot of people questioned that and made a pretty big deal > of >> it coming down. What generations of Jewish olive growers? The ones there >> have been there for the past 2000 years are still there, while the >> Palestinians who were there have been kicked out. > > Again, Bullshit. Look at the list of aid sent into Gaza and you'll see > there is NO humanitarian disaster. I can point you to huge markets in > Gaza full of produce. Again, your using loaded rhetoric to make a > false point. Blockaded, yes. Humanitarian disaster, no. > And those gunships you love to use, again a totally loaded term, are > not a daily thing like your implying. They don't go in shooting up > civilian areas, and they're not the massacring nazi's like your trying > to paint them. > > And those terrorist groups ARE the government in Gaza. But you're > using blockade in a way that makes it sound like every Palestinian are > is blockaded. Nope. Not true. The west bank is totally open with > Palestinian police, services, and an economy that puts most Arab > countries to shame. > > There are two Arab states here. One in Gaza who wants Israel destroyed > and attacks it on a regular basis (killing a Tai worker last week if > you bothered to read the news) and a second state in the west bank > that is it's own entity in everything but name. Don't generalize in > this because the argument will fail. And do your research before using > rhetoric and regurgitated falsehoods. > >> Maybe if they would lift the blockade that has created one of the greatest >> humanitarian disasters in the last century and into this century...maybe > if >> they would stop shooting up civilian neighborhoods with gunships and > fighter >> jets...maybe if they didn't come in and bulldoze the homes of people and >> bulldoze activists, maybe then that would take some of the umphf out of > the >> sails of these terrorist groups. I think what both sides is doing is > wrong, >> but Israel has control of the military, where as Palestine does not have >> that much control over the militant groups. Time for Israel to stop > acting >> like a spoiled fucking brat and grow the fuck up. > > Again, why is the onus only on Israel. Not once have I seen any call > for responsibility or action on the part of the Palestinians in your > arguments. Or are they just children in your mind with no say > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:314050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
