well actually it *is* socialism, just not in the usual sense or in the
way Obama's critics mean. It's socialism in that it insures the risks
of the multinationals and prevents them from failing. Where this
differs from socialism, however, is that the county has guaranteed
itself that it will not receive any benefit from the risks it is
taking on the multinationals' behalf. I will be quiet now ;)

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> wrote:
>
> I'm just not seeing the socialist machine, myself.
>
> Did we get single payer health insurance? No, we required everyone to
> buy insurance from private, frequently for-profit, companies.
>
> Did we establish a national bank? No, we loaned them money, in some
> cases in exchange for non-voting equity stakes, and are letting them
> pay us back as quickly as possible.
>
> Take over auto manufacturers? See banks.
>
> Did we establish a national oil company? No, Obama is proposing to
> increase oil exploration and leasing opportunities for private
> companies that aren't even using the existing permits they already
> have.
>
> Energy, finance, health care, automotive...all the big sectors that
> are most commonly public properties in socialist countries have had
> their private industry control kept in place or usually strengthened
> under the Obama administration.  I do believe that he isn't pushing
> for small government, his administration likes the power, but he is
> firmly a corporatist and I'd love to see examples of what you consider
> to be his socialist machine.
>
> Judah
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *
>> *Newt Gingrich called President Obama's White House "the most radical
>> administration in America's history," as well as a "secular socialist
>> machine."
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_us/us_republicans_gingrich
>>
>> I think he's right and Obama's administration a socialist machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regardless, Gingrich is in a tough spot.  He is trying to protect the status
>> quo of the Republican Party instead of letting it morph into the
>> conservative movement tea-party members want.
>
>
> 

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