On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar <valliants...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all > like -- at least politically, mind -- those Palestinian and Israeli > kids, when they "grew up". You do realize you were the Palestinian kid that was taught Jews make matzoh out of blood and I'm the Jew wondering why you look at me like that? :) > As stated previously, what happened to Powell was shameful. Another > mark against Bush43's administration, in my book. > > That was super-lame, man. Powell was the wrong man for the job, it's his own fault he's not adaptable. He should have resigned. > That book "Red October" was awesome. You get too much reality from fiction and musicians. Get grounded man. >>> You didn't read that link I posted to that court ruling, did you? >> >> I might next time you post it. > > It's from epic.org. Same site I use every time. :) Couldn't find anything about wiretaps except some lawsuit epic filed. >> What is it you think the wiretap program is? Do you think they can >> just call you a commie like MLK and listen in? > > You think they can't? Warrants are just one way of preventing crap > like that, my friend. I think they had a warrant for MLK. > There's blackmail, political shit (are those different?), and just all > kinds of reasons to keep a fucking tight grip on this shit. Blackmail is the same with or without a warrant, still illegal. > http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/acluvnsaop081706.pdf > I really liked it, but that's probably because it fit my world view or > whatever. Circuit Court overturned Taylor's ruling in a 2-1 vote. > Illegal wire taps, for one. Paying a lot of money to invade themselves for > two. They were legal. > Was it not you who expressed concern about spies in the government? Enemy spies. > Imagine the power of being a Listener. Don't you need some kind of clearance, not easy to come by. You'll still get a rogue but it's the wit/without a warrant. > Only I don't think they were spies. They were just identified as > being high risk or something. If what I read was true, only like 20 > people lost jobs, and the rest were cleared after deeper background > checks or something. People were fired for being questioned, suspicion and all that. Most were in but at different levels. > People killed themselves because they got blacklisted, yo. You lie. > Especially if they have the power to gather whatever information they > like, how they like, with no oversight. Are you talking about now or the 50's? You're blurring them together aren't you? > They're all politicians, and politicians == scum. Everybody knows that. :) Lawyer politicians are the worst of two worlds. > I'm implying that backs were scratched, so to speak, yes. Are you implying that lawyers, unions and insurance co's aren't getting there backs scratched now? If we lower the eligibility age for president we can get a political virgin right out of high school. Just need to find out who his/her daddy worked for. > That happens a *lot* in politics, of course, but this was blatant, and > I dunno about the whole corp + religious + gov mix. Blatant like allowing BP to bypass inspection on a deep water rig after donating millions? > Frankly, I don't know how Apple keeps it up. ;) Great marketing. They even took a dork and made him into the cool guy on Mac vs PC. Peoplel will buy anything Apple tells them too. > And more to the point, it's not as effective as being honest. Honest? Suggesting a 12-year-old to abstain is not honest? > The idea is to equip our kids, not hobble them. They need to be able > to be honest with us. When they hit 15-16 we can teach them how to condom a cucumber. They don't need to know that at 12. > They are moral issues, which should be up to people, not laws. Again, so you're against ethical laws? > Remember when anal sex was illegal? Don't try to sell me this, "it's > ok here, but not here" deal. I thought it still was illegal in most states. > We're capable of figuring it out ourselves. We don't need Big > Brother, and further, it cheapens the experience. So you want to regulate everything except sex? What about age of consent? What about pedophilia? > It's verifiable. Was funding cut for Planned Parenthood? Was > Abstinence Only the Official doctrine, when it has been proven to be > less effective than the ABCs or whatever? Those are just the easy > ones. It's also verifiable you don't need to be reigous to be concerned with Planned Parenthood. Abstinence Only was used sometimes for the young. It was not official doctrine it was an experiment that started with Clinton and was expanded. The results are mixed and I believe teen pregnancy went down for that age group only but had no effect once they reached 17+. > That's bad if it's "just" social conservatism, and far worse if > religiously motivated. It's not motivated by my religion. > People *will* die because of that decision, if they haven't already. > People who's deaths could have been prevented had not "morals" gotten > in the way. Who died from abstinence only education? You mean the twelve-year-old that knew all about sex but not about condoms because GWB denied her the education she needed to survive? Damn him! >> Compared to Obama? Yes. > Really? Obama made it because of family ties and tax loopholes? El Busho! They say some Egyptian guy payed for his Ivy league education but we can't prove it. Guess why? He never released any documents about his life except what was written in his book. But we should trust him. > You're right about one thing, it's an issue of scale Were the > weathermen involved to the extent that Saudi money is, you betcha I'd > be all over that stank. Can you please provide the link connecting the Saudi Royal Family to Osama Bin Laden? At least Ayers repented...didn't he? > Look at me trembling in my boots. I bet they'll raise 'em socialist, > too! Oh noes! Poor dumb kids. Look around. Seems the Euro is about to collapse so is Greece. Maybe a few others. You sure we should be teaching reaching for failure? > The shit he talks about doesn't need embellishment, but other than > that, I think he's pretty tits. What's he a D-cup? >> Like digging ditches and then filling them in? It's the quality that counts > Quality can only go so far when faced with quantity. There's three > things, pick two, so to speak. That's not quality or quantity, it's hard useless labor welfare. See you dig a ditch, then you fill it in. No reason except to find a reason to pay people. > And nobodies against campaign finance reform either. It has to start > somewhere. You got to get it right. You do it wrong and it gets repealed. > I will extrapolate that there really was a program where people just > did pointless stuff to be employed. Dig holes, eh? The big dig was a multibillion dollar disaster. I think they finally finished it. > I know you hate it, and think it spells the end of America as we know > it, but it is progress. > We can't sit around and argue about what the "best" way to do things > are forever. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamacare-taking-on-water-95104599.html The money quote "To know ObamaCare is apparently not to love ObamaCare." >> It was easy to make fun of Reagan. Musicians always go against the >> R's. It's like that kid that said when I was 16 my dad was an idiot >> but when I turned 24 he was a genius? How did he learn so much so >> quickly? >> Musicians never get that revelation but the fans do. Mostly. > That seems like a rather encompassing statement. And if true, perhaps > there's something not exactly unfair about it; it /is/ art. Well the audience is always the same age range, you just rotate the new ones in. > Remember that study Regan quoted, where they killed that poor monkey, > and blamed it on the herb? Nah., I was too wasted. > And you're saying this age's health care system? It's way more than that. I always said give Obama 10 years in politics and he might make a great president, but you folks couldn't wait. >> Did you forget the pilgrims already? Did you read the constitution? > > It wasn't "religion" they were saving, it was "the freedom of". That's what we're talking about. > Is that what's happening? Are places of worship being turned into > parking lots? And I don't mean lots for "super churches". > I mean like labyrinths being destroyed and idols defaced. People > getting killed. By the government, because of their religion. Crosses are being taken down, the word Christmas is nearly illegal. But you don't care until the shooting starts? It might be too late. > I was unaware that we were lacking in that regard. Aren't there 38 > symbols on headstones, so to speak? Soon to be 37. > I thought it was anal when the new boss came in several years ago and > made folk stop putting up Christmas decorations (they weren't even > "Christian" Christmas decorations) but I understood the reasoning. I > still thought it was a lame move, but there were bigger issues to > address. Pick your battles and all that rot. Or when do you start fighting. Remember what you keep saying about principal, fight always or never? >>> Fighting DVD pirates is like, super important, you know. >> Are they still fighting that fight? Copyrights are so bogus. > See! Like peas in a pod. *That's* the stuff we could use to garner > support from the poles. I was joking, don't people deserve the rights to there music, software, books etc... > I wonder why we spend so much time fighting about things like that > than fighting Big Money's influence over our system. Because you only fight big money when your told by other big money. > The leaders may be talking crap, but the people love us. They don't, they never did and they never will. > It's the people who matter, they're the ones with the power. When > they realize it. Yeah right. > That's just in general. I cheered for the campaign finance reform > stuff, I think that was an R driven deal. That was a moderate with a Dem. It was a good idea with a bad bill. >> Yeah, that whole 9/11 thing messed up the books.Or does that not count? > It's a ready excuse, I'll give you that. I've never seen our country > so united though, we could have done amazing things. We did. You just won't admit it. > Not that the protests and riots and whatnot weren't amazing, in their own way. Then they were amazing now... >> Tax cuts raised revenue, even though you mock that theory as idiotic, >> when presented with proof you spin it. >> The spending went up, yeah bad thing that, but the tax cuts raised tax >> revenue. Just not enough to keep up with the excessive spending. > It's more the implementation that I mock. I get the theory, and it's > awesome that CEOs are making oodles of cash, but the idea is actually > to spread the wealth around (don't laugh, it's true), and that ain't > been happening. So when a tax cut raises revenue the CEO's make the money? They actually invest it in jobs and facilities and that's why the government makes more money. When they're afraid to invest it get's banked. >>> Call it a success? >> >> Worked when Kennedy, Reagan and Bush did it. I'd call that a success > > Maybe sometimes it seems like you're doing something good when you > aren't, really. Everyday peeps have not been making as much more, > relatively, as the rich peeps have, over time. I'd rather have everyone working than millions not working and the remainder getting raises. Isn't that supposed to be your position? > We gotta reform that defense spending too though, you know. Regulate. Strip the military ala Carter/Clinton? I don't think so. >> Why are you so interested in little girls having sex and getting >> abortions? Aren't there more pressing issues like a collapsing health >> care system? > Years of data says abstinence only isn't as effective as the ABCs, yet > somehow there's an argument about it? It's like pushing for ID in > science class. Why are you so against trying? Why do we need to tech children all about sex? > Why did that Hightower guy think that Big Money was behind the Tea Party? He thinks it's behind everything. The tea Party isn't organized, it's groups all over the country and yes lots of people trying to lasso it in under their umbrella. But to claim big Business started it is pure hogwash. Again trying to discredit true grass roots movements. My question is if you agree with them why are you trying so hard to discredit them? > They must want cuts to the defense budget and whatnot too, right? > Down with pork projects? Etc..? Pork yes. Defense...depends. >>> So far, it seems like an opportunistic movement. If you want success, >>> people like me shouldn't see it that way. >> That's shallow. > It's true. Do you really want to see a responsible government, or > /just enough/ change to keep up the charade? Looking through history I'd say we have one of the best systems. Rather than just throwing it out and starting over let's just put the feet to the fire when they step out of bounds. But it's seems you want an all or nothing approach even though the masses don't agree. Like most people want health care reform, just not this version. >> Last year. > > Yes. I don't think it's because of what happened recently though. > More the housing bubble. Nothing about the unemployment hovering around 10%? > Earnings for the middle class have been stagnant for the last 10 > years, if you believe [some] economists. Again, people had jobs not raises. Now they have neither. > After a bubble pop like that, what did you expect? Smooth sailing? Yeah, all other recession ended much sooner. I wonder why this ones different? >>> Perhaps Usama chose then because he hated daddy and the Bushes are >>> daddy's friends? >> You do know Osama is Saudi? But not from the Saudi Royal family. > Didn't mean to imply he was literally a prince, but he's sorta turned > on The Family so to His daddy has ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:319801 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
