The fact that it is all about profit and nothing else is exactly why they need to be pushed out and we need to go to a single payer. Their reactions showed that it was all about profit and that they didn't give a rat's ass about their customers. Any business that doesn't care about it's customers needs to go join the dinosaurs.
-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:01 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party "Ah, right. Please go check the earnings statements for health insurance companies and tell me which ones are going bankrupt." I'm no fan of insurance companies. They seem to be the embodiment of greed. This greed helped open the door for health care deform. That being said, you're right. The insurance companies that can remain solvent will remain solvent. They will stop covering health care altogether. You know, like what's happening in Florida, Colorado, and Massachusetts. It is about profit. It's not like I'm the only one saying that private insurance is on the way out. Look up Jacob Hacker, a liberal Yale professor who was instrumental in thinking up the public option. "Someone once said to me, 'Well, this is a Trojan horse for single payer. 'Well, it's not a Trojan horse, right? It's just right there! I'm telling you!'" Hacker said in the video at a July 2008 forum sponsored by the Tides Foundation. Fortunately, we don't have the public option yet, but it's only a matter of time. With employers opting to pay the fine instead of paying for coverage and insurance companies dropping coverage, there won't be any other option. "We, you know, the Congress that belongs to you and I? Our country?" They don't "belong" to me and they certainly don't represent me. Technically, they "belong" to our country. If you say that's what you meant by "We", I'll take your word for it, although my original interpretation explains so much in terms of your responses and replies. "See above. Perhaps you are unaware that the new law just hand delivered 10s of millions of new customers to the insurance companies. Oh no! New customers will bankrupt them! Run for the hills!" Yeah. Great customers. Those that can join when illness or tragedy happens and quit afterward leaving others with higher premiums. Beautiful. It certainly explains why some insurance companies in Mass, FL, and CO are no longer taking health care customers. "Might want to adjust the tinfoil cap there Jerry, you're sounding like quite the conspiratorialist." Shit. I need to buy stock in reynolds wrap. "Stupid people will think it is whatever other people tell them to think it is apparently." Sure. Hope and change. J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendancy. - Thomas Jefferson On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "At this point I have to question your intelligence Jerry." > > > > Judah, I get it. I'm stupid because I don't agree with you. > > I apologized for this statement in a different email, fyi. It was > wrong of me to say that. > > > > > Judah, you got me. I should have said pathway. When the insurance > > companies go bankrupt, single payer will be implemented. I wasn't > > specific. This has been admitted to by Obama's cronies. > > > > Judah, tt's hard for us stupid people to remember everything. It would > be > > nice if the smart people like you would help me piece these things > together. > > Ah, right. Please go check the earnings statements for health > insurance companies and tell me which ones are going bankrupt. > > > "Then came the so-called Public Option or"Medicare for all". In yet > another > > nod to the Republicans and corporate-owned Dems (hi Blanche Lincoln!) > that > > was taken off the table." > > > > Judah, if you bankrupt the insurance companies, it will come. > > See above. Perhaps you are unaware that the new law just hand > delivered 10s of millions of new customers to the insurance companies. > Oh no! New customers will bankrupt them! Run for the hills! > > > "Not only did governmental control of health care not happen, > governmental > > control of health insurance didn't happen and not even a government > backed > > plan was allowed to compete with private insurance." > > > > Judah, it's not happened yet. There would have been violence in the > street > > if it would have happened in one fell swoop. The takeover is in > incremental > > steps. Things are phased in. > > Might want to adjust the tinfoil cap there Jerry, you're sounding like > quite the conspiratorialist. > > > "We instituted a Republican sponsored Individual Mandate and took every > > progressive backed plan to bring down costs (the Public Option reduced > the > > deficit, remember?) off the table." > > > > Judah, I love the "We" there. It explains a lot for us stupid people. > > We, you know, the Congress that belongs to you and I? Our country? > > > "Yeah, fucking socialism Jerry." > > > > Judah, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, > > stupid people are bound to think it's a duck. > > Stupid people will think it is whatever other people tell them to > think it is apparently. > > > Judah, just as an aside, when health care deform gets rolling and > everyone > > has insurance, what will happen? Specifically, there aren't enough > doctors > > now when a lot of people don't even use the doctor because of a lack of > > insurance. When everyone has insurance, will usage go up? All those > little > > sniffles and coughs that people used to ignore won't be ignored. When > this > > happens, who's going to administer the extra health services. If there > are > > enough doctors, and everyone gets care for anything they choose, how does > > one control the flow? Hmmm. So people, especially us stupid people, say > > that rationing would be implemented. > > > > Judah, maybe you can get together with your "We" group and find me some > good > > answers on that. Maybe use Mass. to see how well it's working. > > It's a big problem and one of the reasons I strongly disliked the way > that "health reform" came down. It was health insurance reform and > didn't address even that part very well. I said that repeatedly during > the year plus that we talked about it here. The best thing about the > bill that was passed is that *something* got done. There are a couple > wins here and there (and a lot of bad stuff) but more than anything > else I am happy that Congress actually tackled some sort of > health-related reform even if it was a horrible process and ended up > with a really weak outcome. > > Honestly, the things passed that are most likely to influence actual > health care delivery are in the American Recovery and Reinvestment > Act, not in the health insurance reform law. That law focused on > quality metrics and incentives, modernization of healthcare IT, etc. > I would have preferred a stronger focus on that sort of reform and > additionally addressing physician training, malpractice reform, and > working on switching from a "fee for service" model to a quality of > care/outcome model. > > I understand why they focused on health insurance and providing closer > to universal coverage. I'm not happy with the decision and even less > happy with the outcome as I said during the whole debate. But I'm glad > that something got done because the direction things were going was > hellish. It is just a first step though and there is a whole lot more > to > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:326754 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
