On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Robert Munn <cfmuns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The numbers show quite clearly that within decades the fund goes negative
> and never comes back. Medicare might be a more immediate problem, but
> practical considerations will eventually cap fees, doctors visits, drugs,
> procedures, and all sort of other things in Medicare. By contrast, because
> Social Security amounts to straight transfer payments from working age
> people to retired people, there is no way to limit activity or otherwise
> control costs like in Medicare. The only way to keep the program going is to
> bleed the taxpayer more and more until there is no money left. What then?

To recap: there are several options on the table which include various
combinations of raising the income limit to which fica applies (hardly
bleeding the taxpayer more until there is no money left), raising the
retirement age slightly, and tiering benefit payouts based on income.
Some of the options don't require raising taxes at all. There are
other options that have been discussed that aren't even on the
scenarios presented by the Trustee boards.

As for the ponzi scheme attribution you make, it is true in the sense
that the government tends to borrow against the fund. I agree that
that should be disallowed.

Just go and look at all the projections about the contribution of
various programs to future debt. Entitlement programs other than
Medicare are a small percentage. Medicare presents by far the largest
contribution by huge amounts. That's one of the reasons that Obama and
Democrats pledged to try for healthcare reform. Of course, they
largely failed at that task as the bill that passed did little to curb
Medicare expenses in the future.

Still, you want to make a dent in entitlement spending for the future,
you need to tackle healthcare reform. Social Security is relatively
easy to fix out past 2034. There are several known options on the
table. Medicare and the drag of health care expenses on our economy?
That is much more difficult and more pressing. Costs are rising faster
and there aren't any solutions on the table to be chosen from at this
point.  The Social Security "debate" is a distraction. It's arguing
over who is going to kill a cockroach while ignoring the rabid dog in
the room with you.

Judah

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