So that's not inflammatory yellow press in the least. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Brian Thornton <br...@cfdeveloper.com>wrote:
> > From the Financial Times today.... They are both going to court the > woman vote.... > > High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this > article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the > article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email > ftsales.supp...@ft.com to buy additional rights. > > http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/73eb8e60-800d-11e1-b4a8-00144feab49a.html#ixzz1rJetH0uN > > April 6, 2012 9:03 pm > IBM chief hits glass ceiling in Augusta > > By Richard Waters in San Francisco > Virginia Rometty > > Three months after rising to one of the top jobs in corporate America, > Ginni Rometty is this weekend coming to terms with a glass ceiling she > has been unable to break: membership of Augusta National, the > male-only club where the Masters golf tournament reaches its climax on > Sunday. > > The failure to offer membership to the new chief executive of IBM, the > events chief sponsor, is a snub that critics say will rebound badly > on both the club and the computer company itself, should it fail to > take a stand over the issue. > > The omission comes despite growing public attention, which late this > week included mild rebukes from President Barack Obama and Mitt > Romney, his probable Republican rival in Novembers election, both of > whom seized on the issue as a chance to woo female voters. His > personal opinion is that women should be admitted, said Jay Carney, > White House spokesman. > > Augusta National traditionally offers honorary membership to the chief > executives of the Masters tournaments corporate sponsors, putting Ms > Rometty in line to become the first female member in the clubs 79 > year history. But as the second day of play continued on Friday, Ms > Rometty had not been made a member. > > Ms Rometty, who plays golf, has not spoken on the issue and the > computer company would not comment. The Professional Golfers > Association has not taken a stand against Augustas gender bar. > > Coming so soon after Ms Romettys assumption of the leadership of a > highly conservative corporation that does all it can to avoid drawing > personal attention to its leaders, critics say a failure to respond > strongly to the snub will be damaging for IBM . > > All those female [IBM] employees would feel demoralised and see her > appointment as just being symbolic, said Mary Ellen Balchunis, a > professor of political science at La Salle University. She added that > it would also make it harder for IBM to recruit in future, since young > employees are looking for the most progressive places to work. > > Others argue that the Augusta snub is equally demoralising for other > aspiring female executives, who often feel left out of male-dominated > business networking much of which takes place in social settings > such as golf courses. > > Ben Agger, a professor of sociology at the University of Texas, > described prestigious country clubs around New York and Washington as > the true corridors of power where important work relationships are > cemented. He added that women, even when full members at such > exclusive clubs, often find they are relegated to the worst tee-times, > making the Augusta membership issue both highly symbolic and > substantive. > > For a conservative, cautious company like [IBM] to pull out would > make a profound statement, Mr Agger said. > > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:30 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Well I would disagree with that interpretation. > > > > Not to mention that women are not a separate class, they are a sex, and > > this golf course doesn't seem to have ever been open as a "public" area. > > > > Way to try and take more rights through judicial activism. > > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> > >> The idea is that if a private area is used as a public space then much > >> of the control a private owner normally doesn't apply. consider > >> private land that's been used as a public park - many apartment > >> developments in New York do this for instance. The courts have ruled > >> that being able to restrict a certain class of people from the park is > >> illegal in this matter. > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Is this specific club on public or private property? > >> > > >> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> There's also the issue of public space. There have been several court > >> >> cases that went over this. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Where is that line blurry? > >> >> > > >> >> > Either they get public funds or they don't, doesn't seem to be a > lot > >> of > >> >> > grey area. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sounds like "truthiness". > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Larry C. Lyons < > larrycly...@gmail.com > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Exactly if they accept fed funds then they have to follow fed > rules. > >> >> >> however it gets more difficult to discern when the lines between > >> >> >> public and private become very blurred. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Both Augusta National and Lucille Roberts limit membership to > their > >> >> >> > clubs based on the sex/gender (and in Augusta's case, wealth) of > >> the > >> >> >> > individual seeking membership. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Simplified? Maybe. Untrue? Nope. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I also don't think either should be forced to change those > >> policies. > >> >> >> > If they receive public funds, however, then I have an issue with > >> their > >> >> >> > policies. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Judah McAuley < > >> ju...@wiredotter.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Augusta gets to set their own rules, hence why no one is > forcing > >> them > >> >> >> >> to accept women and why they only just recently accepted black > >> folks > >> >> >> >> as members. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> That, however, does not mean that outside folks should not > suggest > >> >> >> >> that they change their rules and that is precisely what > happened > >> in > >> >> >> >> this case. Augusta has a very high profile owing to hosting the > >> >> >> >> Masters tournament. There are many people, myself included, > that > >> >> would > >> >> >> >> like to see that high profile used to promote a message of > >> equality. > >> >> >> >> Whether or not they do that is up to them. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> As for how it is different than Lucille Roberts, that's simple. > >> It's > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> matter of profile, intention and comparables. Augusta, > >> theoretically, > >> >> >> >> is about playing golf and hanging out with your business peers. > >> Being > >> >> >> >> black or female doesn't have any impact on playing golf or > being a > >> >> >> >> business peer. Witness the fact that the CEO of the Master's > >> largest > >> >> >> >> sponsor (IBM) is female. Lucille Roberts is about a space for > >> women > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> work out where they don't feel like they are being judged by > men. > >> The > >> >> >> >> gender of the people at the facility is obviously directly > >> related to > >> >> >> >> the mission, the intent of the organization. Then there is the > >> issue > >> >> >> >> of comparables: Augusta is the only private club of its type > that > >> >> puts > >> >> >> >> on an event the caliber and exposure of the Masters. It isn't > like > >> >> you > >> >> >> >> can easily say, "oh, you can get just as high profile a golf > and > >> >> >> >> networking experience at club X, Y and Z". On the other hand, > you > >> can > >> >> >> >> easily get the same quality gym experience (as a guy) or better > >> at a > >> >> >> >> large number of facilities. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Cheers, > >> >> >> >> Judah > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Scott Stroz < > boyz...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> Augusta is a private club. They can allow whomever they wish. > >> >> Members > >> >> >> >>> pay dues to set the rules. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> Not sure how its any different than, > >> http://www.lucilleroberts.com/ > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> I would love to join the VFW, but, I don't meet the membership > >> >> >> requirements. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Cameron Childress < > >> >> camer...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Thornton < > >> >> >> br...@cfdeveloper.com>wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> It's commonplace to know that the president is very careful > to > >> >> decide > >> >> >> >>>>> what to speak on and what to dodge and what not... > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> "We've kind of passed the time that women should be excluded > >> from > >> >> >> >>>>> anything," Carney said. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Obama should join August National, then he will be one of > >> >> >> >>>> 300 individuals who are permitted to vote on allowing women > to > >> >> join. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> -Cameron > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> ... > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:349615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
