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On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote:

> for those interested:
>
> http://twitpic.com/tag/NATO
>
> Legalese: Retweets imply interest not endorsement. I am not there and
> don't know the parties well enough to evaluate their statements.
>
>
> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Eric Roberts <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The occupy movement as a whole has suffered from a virtual media blackout.
>> You see it on local news, but national news has been largely silent.  Our
>> media has failed us as well.  They are supposed to be the ones that call
>> bullshit on politician when they make false claims.  They are supposed to
>> be
>> making sure that people know what is going.  Media is corporate
>> controlled,
>> so we see what corporate America wants us to see.  That is fascism in all
>> of
>> it's dark and evil glory.  I serious believe that revolution is the only
>> solution.  I just don't see this peaceful protest accomplish much more
>> than
>> it already has.  Entrench power is dug in and they are not giving it up
>> without a fight.  Voter apathy guarantees it.  If you look at amendment 1,
>> 20 % of the voting population made it a constitutional amendment.
>>  20%...70%
>> of the population couldn't be bothered to vote.  That is why we are where
>> we
>> are at.  We are not holding out elected officials feet to the fire.  We
>> need
>> to be gathered with torches and pitchforks.  They should be scared
>> shitless
>> of us.
>>
>> I have friends in Oakland that were there as well.  They said the same
>> thing
>> Dana said.  Every report I have heard was the same.  Outright naked police
>> brutality and the mayor didn't do squat about it.  She needs to be dragged
>> out into the street and tear gassed.  Maybe then she will understand.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 6:21 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: NATO Protests
>>
>>
>> well, since there was no public outcry over Oakland there will probably be
>> no public outcry over Chicago, much less any coverage. This is why it was
>> important to save YouTube. I spent a lot of time I could not really afford
>> working on SOPA because we *need* citizen journalists now that the
>> majority
>> of the media outlets have been bought.
>> The problem with YouTube of course is that it's completely unfiltered, but
>> if 5-6 different livestreamers show the same set of events from different
>> angles then I htink it can be accepted as probably true.
>> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I don't think you are ranting.  Your message was short and concise.
>> >
>> > I heard about the marine, and I can't believe that with the video of
>> > that event no one has been punished.
>> >
>> > I wish there were some way to get through to the people what is going.
>> > Why is there so much apathy about the decline of our country as the
>> > bastion of liberty in the world?
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I am already there. In Oakland they surrounded protesters, ordered
>> > > them
>> > to
>> > > disperse, and arrested them for not doing so. That's not counting
>> > > the teargas, which -- I can't help it -- is all the more
>> > > unforgivable because my daughter was there.
>> > >
>> > > Let's not forget the veterans for peace marine who got hit in the
>> > > head
>> > with
>> > > a tear gas canister at point-blank range. He was on multiple videos
>> > seconds
>> > > before not doing anything the least bit aggressive. Not even
>> > > yelling. And so he's on the ground bleeding and people run up to
>> > > lend some assistance
>> > --
>> > > again, not threatening the cops in any way -- and they throw a flash
>> > bang.
>> > > WTF.  This is absolutely indisputable:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKG0VntJW_A
>> > >
>> > > He's in there, standing and and laying wounded, right next to the
>> > > Navy
>> > vet
>> > > with the flag. No question what happened. And nobody has been fired.
>> > > The outside monitor said OPD used excessive force. But the only
>> > > consequences have been to protesters. Some of those police officers
>> are
>> identifiable.
>> > > But they have not been fired.
>> > > Sorry, I know I am ranting. But I am really angry about this. And
>> > > it's
>> > only
>> > > one story -- the mayors had a conference call one day and all of a
>> > > sudden this sort of thing started happening nationwide. Gee. Am I
>> > > supporting terrorism by saying so? Your guess is as good as mine.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm simply shocked at how under reported this fiasco is Chicago
>> > > > has
>> > been.
>> > > > I feel it is a major indictment of our 4th estate.
>> > > >
>> > > > The videos of the police shows absolutely and beyond reproach that
>> > > > the police are using intimidation to attempt to stifle 1st
>> > > > amendment
>> > rights.
>> > >  I
>> > > > am disgusted by their behavior, and cops like that are one of the
>> > > reasons I
>> > > > have always had a fuck the police attitude.  The militarization of
>> > > > our
>> > > law
>> > > > enforcement is also well documented in here, and something else I
>> > > despise.
>> > > >
>> > > > I will say that the NDAA connection is nebulous as they have been
>> > charged
>> > > > and given a bail amount, although excessive.  I have read a bunch
>> > > > about
>> > > the
>> > > > kids arrested and it seems that the police are fabricating
>> > > > terrorism charges using home brew kits.  Several of these kids are
>> > > > known
>> > pacifists,
>> > > > and they are reasonably well known within various protest
>> > > > movements
>> > from
>> > > > around the country.  I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they
>> > > > were stopped and question/intimidated several days earlier.  I
>> > > > have grave
>> > > doubts
>> > > > about the reality contained in the charges brought against them.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's also interesting to me that some of the outside police that
>> > > > have
>> > > been
>> > > > brought in to back up the CPD are form Charlotte, N.C.  where we
>> > > > can
>> > > assume
>> > > > there will likely be similar protests at the DNC.
>> > > >
>> > > > As you know, while understand the seemingly valid complaints that
>> > > > many
>> > of
>> > > > the protestors have, I do not always agree with their proposed
>> > solutions.
>> > > > I do however totally and without reservation support their right
>> > > > to
>> > > gather,
>> > > > to march and to speak out; all of these things being central to
>> > > > the
>> > > liberty
>> > > > of our republic.
>> > > >
>> > > > I become more disgusted by the actions of my government by the
>> minute.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Eric Roberts <
>> > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Unfortunately I can't get down there due to some medical issues
>> > > > > I am
>> > > > having
>> > > > > *grrrrr grumble grumble*  :-(  I have been watching from afar
>> > > > > and so
>> > > far
>> > > > > things have been peaceful.  They arrested 3 people on trumped up
>> > > charges
>> > > > > Thursday in an attempt to intimidate protestors.  The big
>> > > > > protest is tomorrow near McCormick Place.  From what I am
>> > > > > hearing, the police
>> > are
>> > > > out
>> > > > > there big time in full riot gear (sucks to be them since it is
>> > > > > also
>> > 97
>> > > > > degrees today *snicker*)  Some are jokily  saying there are more
>> > police
>> > > > > than
>> > > > > protestors.  They have a big protest today, Healthcare not
>> > > > > Warfare at
>> > > the
>> > > > > Boeng HQ downtown.  There was also a big rally (Tom Morello
>> > > > > played at
>> > > it)
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > Daley Plaza where there was a big rally of Nurses (they said
>> > something
>> > > > like
>> > > > > 10,000+ nurses showed up...some from other states obviously).  I
>> > > > > was watching that livestream....I can post feeds as soon as I
>> > > > > can find
>> > them
>> > > > > again.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Info on the arrests:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This is from the national Lawyers Guild, who defend occupy
>> > > protesters...
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-chicago-press-relations/nlg-rele
>> > ases-n
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > onato-raid-photos-threatens-legal-action-against-city-if-arrestees/355
>> > 360537
>> > > > > 860447
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2012/05/19/three-chicago-nato-summit-activ
>> > ists-c
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > harged-with-conspiracy-to-commit-terrorism-providing-material-support-
>> > for-te
>> > > > > rrorism/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Earlier this week...the same guys were stopped by Chicago Police
>> > > > > and harassed and threatened:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TudIyxxAboA
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A good video released by Occupy Portland on this:
>> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB10DF2Pbl8
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This ties in well with our NDAA discussion
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > http://betweenthelines.blogspot.com/2012/05/terrorism-charges-for-chic
>> > ago-an
>> > > > > ti-nato.html
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The "Official" stories on the arrests:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > http://www.suntimes.com/news/12635179-761/nato-3-had-targeted-obama-ca
>> > mpaign
>> > > > > -hq-rahms-house-police-stations-prosecutors-say.html
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/19/11765588-attacks-on-chica
>> > go-pol
>> > > > > ice-stations-obama-office-were-planned-prosecutors-say?lite
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Pics from Friday and today via occupy Chicago:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > http://occupywallst.org/article/today-chicago-health-care-not-warfare-
>> > watch-
>> > > > > live/ (this has a link to a livestream of events going on around
>> > > > > the city...the button is on the toolbar up top)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Pic of Tom Morello anf the Nurse's Rally:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=369550743103518&set=a.36949691
>> > 644223
>> > > > > 4.87363.100001457865597&type=1&theater
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Pic of Chicago Police from last night:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2865440934987&set=a.1021509917
>> > 864.32
>> > > > > 38.1828697981&type=1&theater
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:28 PM
>> > > > > To: cf-community
>> > > > > Subject: NATO Protests
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hey Eric have you been downtown?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What are you seeing?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Not hearing too much chatter, but the city did a lot to prevent
>> > > > > real protest prior to the convention.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/18/nato-su
>> > mmit-t
>> > > > > emplate-policing-other-chicago?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038
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