First off is it Descriptive moral relativism, meta-ethical moral relativism or normative moral relativism? They are quite different.
>From Wikipedia: ----- Moral relativism may be any of several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different people and cultures. Descriptive moral relativism holds only that some people do in fact disagree about what is moral; meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong; and normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, we ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when we disagree about the morality of it. ----- So you see the issue here, moral relativism has utility in a variety of endeavors, Anthropology for example, and is required in a number of different circumstances it would seem (extreme example cannibalism during starvation). As the Greek historian and philosopher Herodotus noted, each society regards its own belief system and way of doing things as better than all others. So ranting about moral relativism here you're duplicating what Herodotus observed. My own opinion is that it depends. I don't think our moral and ethical system is superior to any other system. Its what has evolved within our society to fit our society's needs. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think it is the same thing. You rationalise and pick what to agree with > and believe in depending on your own personal situation. > > > On 2 January 2013 12:13, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I have yet to see a definition of moral relativism that is not self >> contradictory and typically is used for a pejorative by conservatives. >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:08 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I agree with you about , and consider myself athiest because of it. That >> > however has little or nothing to do with moral relativism, and I didn't >> see >> > Jerry mention religion or the bible. >> > On Jan 2, 2013 10:36 AM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Yeah. Some people take religion literally, which when you start to get >> into >> >> what these books say, becomes ridiculous. >> >> >> >> An intelligent individual starts to make one rationalisation, and one >> >> allowance after the next for the statements made. >> >> Soon they are following one portion of the book, and not another, then >> >> picking one set of conflicting "rules" to follow over another. >> >> >> >> The person ends up with their own interpretation of what is contained in >> >> those books, or the interpretation taught to them through the teachings >> of >> >> their favourite religious leader. >> >> >> >> It gets to be quite ridiculous, and is what I believe causes objective >> and >> >> rational thinkers to leave religions entirely, or at least not practice >> >> them to the letter. >> >> There are far too many contradictions and downright obscene and >> degrading >> >> "rules" contained in these "holy" books. This is especially true of >> those >> >> rules and philosophies which target women. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2 January 2013 11:09, Marlon Moyer <marlon.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I agree with you J, this culture of relative moralism is really >> pitiful. >> >> > I mean, crap, why should the government have any say in what I do to >> my >> >> > wife or kids. I mean, really, if the good book says I can kill my >> child >> >> if >> >> > they misbehave, well, damn....why should I listen to anyone else about >> >> it? >> >> > ..and why in the heck can't I sell my daughters any more to be maid >> >> > servants? Give me one good reason? >> >> > >> >> > And what about those fornicators too? Why in the hell haven't we been >> >> > stoning Petraeus along with all his low moral brethren....especially >> all >> >> > those people who are "divorced". They're the worst! I guess they >> didn't >> >> > get the whole "What God has put together, let no man put asunder" >> >> meaning. >> >> > >> >> > And WTF don't all of our Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom vets all have >> >> > Iraqi child brides? We should have slain all the men and all the >> women >> >> > who'd had sex and then distributed the female children amongst our >> >> troops. >> >> > Oh, and we should have killed all the Iraqi male children too! Can't >> >> have >> >> > them growing up to exact vengeance on us. >> >> > >> >> > And what about all these rich people worrying about saving their tax >> >> > money? Don't they realize they ain't getting to heaven if they're >> rich. >> >> > >> >> > oh and speaking of rich people. We need to put to death every one of >> the >> >> > NFL players. They've been flaunting their work on the Sabbath every >> week >> >> > by broadcasting on it Television. The Sabbath is for rest and the >> Bible >> >> > commands us to put to death anyone who's dumb enough to work on that >> day. >> >> > >> >> > Not only are they working on the Sabbath, but have you seen some of >> the >> >> > tattoos on those heathens? The good book is pretty darn clear about >> >> > marking up your body and it ain't gonna be pretty when they face Him. >> >> > >> >> > We've become a society that's too worried about people's rights. As >> long >> >> > as a man has rights, that's all that's needed. Heck, women aren't >> even >> >> > supposed to teach men so why should we be giving them votes or God >> >> forbid, >> >> > a place on the pulpit! Women are to be in subjection to us so how can >> >> they >> >> > possibly be equals!? Likewise, children are property and last I >> checked, >> >> > property doesn't have rights. >> >> > >> >> > The biggest tragedy here is that poor boy was obviously being >> controlled >> >> > by the devil! Evil had taken over his body and was doing things to >> him >> >> > that his immortal soul would have never done by itself. I only hope >> that >> >> > his last thoughts on this Earth were of repentance and sincere belief >> in >> >> > the big man upstairs. If they were, I'm sure he's in heaven playing >> with >> >> > those same little angels he sent there only moments earlier, 'cause >> God >> >> > will forgive all our sins no matter how big or small as long as we >> >> repent! >> >> > >> >> > Now, you'll have to excuse me. I've got to get out to protest in >> front >> >> of >> >> > the Pappadeaux's restaurant. I noticed today on their sign that the >> are >> >> > having a special on Lobster. Can you freakin' believe it? Lobster. >> >> > They're just inviting the lightning of God's wrath to rain down on >> them. >> >> > I'm going to protest from across the street, just in case He does. >> >> > >> >> > > Upon seeing this, I thought about how far morality has fallen in or >> >> > > country. I wondered if the country could fall any further into >> >> > > depravity. >> >> > >> >> > > Some pundits keep preaching the demise of the USA. With the rise of >> >> > moral >> >> > > relativism, no personal accountability, and the culture of blame, >> that >> >> is >> >> > > prevalent in the US, they may be right. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:359398 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
