As mentioned Virginia vs Loving in 1967 established marriage as a basic civil right. To quote Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the unanimous court:
"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. " Second, one or two birds doesn't make a spring. As usual arguing by cases rather than data or sheer numbers. And how do we know those cases you mention even exist. It could entirely be made up. As for civil unions, isn't that the old separate but equal argument again. I had thought we got beyond the entire 2nd class citizen shit a long time ago. According to the government's own figures, there are about 1700 separate benefits and rights you automatically get through obtaining a marriage license and undergoing a marriage ceremony. Very few of those benefits and rights are available for civil marriage. And yes many people are against same sex marriage, many more are for it. Even more so if you break it down by age range. Hostility to same sex marriage appears to be entirely generational, with the greatest hostility in the 64 and older groups, with mostly acceptance in the 18 to 24 age group. Generally the arguments against it are specious. Harm to children, no that has been well established not to take place ( http://www.apa.org/about/policy/parenting.aspx), harm to society - there have been other western nations that have had same sex marriage for 10 years or more, and no harm so far. Then what is left, only the religious arguments, and we are not a theocracy, and the so called "Ick" factor. Frankly deciding civil rights based on personal disgust is very flimsy. BTW there's an interesting line of research that shows that conservatives show a heightened disgust response, so its possible that physiology here may also play a part. http://www.livescience.com/16746-conservatives-disgust-political-views.html On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:10 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't like to use the word "hate". Do they hate the people who are > gay? I > > doubt it. > > > The article you found funny implied Scalia hated (disliked) gays so much he > was looking for a country that didn't have them. > > Are they grossed out or uncomfortable with people who are gay? > > Most likely. > > > How the hell did you get in their heads and come up with that? Maybe a > percentage feel that way but that's an awfully large brush you paint with. > > Do they want to deny these people equal rights because of > > > those feelings? Apparently. > > > > Is marriage a Right? > > > > > That's just bizarre. Most of my gay friends don't give a > > > rats ass about gay marriage and they don't hate gays. Only the ones > that > > > hate hero-sexuals do. In my experience. > > > > > > > I've met a lot of gay people...but never ONE who hated heterosexuals. > That > > would be weird to "hate" about 90% of the population.... > > > > I have a friend that relives his black eye from London in the 70's, every > year we get to relive the story on facebook. Another blames hetro's for his > lovers suicide 15 years ago. We hear about that all the time. They don't > come out and say they hate hetro's but it's like Larry and conservatives, > you know where he stands. > > > > > Marriage isn't a constitutional right but somehow, now, gay marriage > is? > > > And the way they did that was to label all opposed as haters? A sad day > > > indeed. > > > > > > > YOU are labelling them haters....the rest of us are labelling them as > > people who would deny others equal rights because of how they were born. > > You like to use the word "hate" because it brings emotion to the table. > > > > > Again equal rights? Civil unions create equality. I don't know anybody > that's against civil unions. Do you? You started with the emotions about > the justices. > > > > > Well...that's great for billboards and bumper stickers...but when you get > > down to brass tacks, it's really quite simple: Do you wish to deny people > > equal rights because of how they were born? > > > > > Civil Unions > > > > Sam....give me one valid argument AGAINST gay marriage that does NOT > > involve a view that would prejudice against homosexuals, or in some way > > cast their love as inferior or even harmful, when compared to hetero > > relationships?? Give me one, and i'll happily admit that there is a > > non-bigoted argument against gay marriage. > > > > > Most people that are against gay marriages, I'm guessing, have nothing > against gays and civil unions. They just want to avoid watering down the > traditional marriage as we know it. It's already having trouble with > divorce rates increasing regularly. > > . > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:364983 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
