But they cannot move in with ground forces, not without incurring huge
casualties on the Israeli side (why would they submit to that), and not
with a lot more casualties of civilians in Gaza.

And that would be "worse" in many ways, as it would be an invasion of
another "country". And they cannot enter Gaza like they can the West Bank
(which they do enter often). Gaza is a whole nother angry ball of wax.
There is no way to enter it with unarmored people. Heck, even the PA police
cannot go into most neighborhoods and come out alive. (see the video of
them being thrown off roofs if you need examples)

Any ground invasion would need to be either an in-and-out unexpected raid
(like the one sat night), or a full fledged invasion. Urban house-to-house
warfare is not "easy and clean".

It is not as if a policeman with a blue belt and a whistle can go into Gaza
and arrest people.

It would need to be a full-level military invasion. Add up the numbers from
the city fighting in Iraq for casualties.

Approximately 1500 missiles and rockets and mortars have been fired by
Israel so far. With 1000 injured and 200 killed.

For the most part, that is some pretty amazing firing discipline. If their
true intent was to kill, any one of those munitions could have doubled
those numbers.

Unfortunately, that childrens' saying is too true. "close only matters in
horseshoes and handgrenades".

I think it is clear that they are not heartbroken if a missile goes awry.
And are more than willing to kill a whole family to get a specific target.
(that is where most of the child casualties have come from). And they are
fine with any collateral damage from a strike on a legitimate target. And
any secondary damage from the explosions of stored munitions are fine, too.

But I also think they have gone out of their way to try to limit civilian
casualties while still destroying the firing locations and striking the
warehouses and factories that produce the rockets.

It is horrible. Agreed. And it is war. Which is horrible.

And the most horrible part for me is that Gaza SHOULD be the garden of
Eden. It should be heaven on Earth. It should be a tourist attraction, and
a vacation destination, and a thriving country.

As for the "thousands of rockets, and no deaths". Have you seen the way the
Israelis run for bomb shelters when the rockets are coming? There is just
as much terror on that side of the boarder as on the other. The fact that
the rockets are less-well trainable, and that the Israelis have built a
"star wars" missile shield (which I personally said during the Reagan
administration was impossibe) does not lessen that terror.

I dont have an easy solution, either. But I do think it all comes back to
Hamas, and stopping them.

And the only way to stop them is for the Palestinian people to stop them.

I truly believe if they could be stopped, the rest of the world could lean
on the Arab states to leave Gaza alone as a pawn, and then the world could
lean on Israel to cut all ties.

The West Bank is a different issue, but Gaza should be solvable in short
order.




On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Whether they are targeting civilians or not, they are fully aware of the
> civilian presence in the zones they are bombing.
> They should receive no more flack by going in with troops to arrest or
> decommission these areas than they are for bombing.
>
> I've said what I think should be done. They move in with troops and police
> in many other instances. They can do the same.
> They can get satellite imagery of the area where these attacks are coming
> from, the can co-ordinate much better strikes, snipers...
> there is a host of conventional police and or pseudo-military responses
> they can make that:
>
> 1) Would not make such a splash internationally
> 2) Would not have anywhere close to the civilian death toll
> 3) Would not destroy Palestinian infrastructure and an already struggling
> economy.
>
> The report of hundreds of missiles is bullshit. Hundreds of missiles and
> not a single israeli death?
> nonsense.
>
> If that is the case then the threat is contrived given the technology
> Israel has deployed to defend itself.
>
> I mean just using common sense, and your knowledge of military systems,
> what sort of death toll would you expect if the US was to rain hundreds of
> missiles onto a civilian population...say a city like I dunno chicago or
> something like that?
>
> I mean common sense here. Zero casualties? Would you ever expect zero
> casualties?
>
> And if that were the case what would you say about those US missiles?
>
> On 14 July 2014 15:31, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ᐧ
>
> >
> > Israel isn't targeting civilians.
> >
> > It is targeting command and control and launch sites.
> >
> > The police are police.  The so called occupying forces are in the
> > military.  Israel will catch real flack if they make major incursions
> into
> > Gaza.
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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