Things were changed substantially after Somalia, back to how they were during and before Vietnam. On Jul 15, 2014 4:41 PM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > No...it wasn't flares...it was explosive ordinace. > > Taught by who? Atilla the Hun? If you were taught what they have done is > OK, then the Army sure has changed A LOT since I was in. Israel has never > avoided collateral damage. > > -----Original Message----- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:21 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > In the first instance you're talking about flares, not an offensive weapon. > > The others aren't war crimes, they have acted within the rules of land > warfare as I've been taught them. > > Civilian population used as shields have the same legal rights as sand > bags. > > They've gone out of their way to avoid collateral damage. > On Jul 15, 2014 3:07 PM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> > wrote: > > > > > Using White Phosphorous munitions on civilian targets. Targeting > > hospitals and schools and civilian neighborhoods. Massacring civilians. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:55 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: RE: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > > > > War crimes, do tell > > On Jul 15, 2014 1:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > We are also responsible for buying Israel's weapons of war and for > > > not recognizing the Hamas government and guiding into a more > > > peaceful mode. By not recognizing a democratically elected > > > government, we forced it further into the shadows and further into > > > violence as they feel very betrayed and don't trust anyone as an > > > honest broker. We are also responsible for not holding Israel > > > accountable for their excess and > > for their war crimes. > > > Every > > > attempt by the UN to do so was vetoed by us. Prior to the 1st Gulf > > > War, Israel had more sanction proposals levied against them that > > > Saddam's Iraq did...by like 3 times. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:31 AM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > > > > > > > As with most things, I don't see it so cut-and-dry. > > > > > > You are not really talking "responsibility", you are talking "moral > > > culpability" I believe. > > > > > > And I don't think it falls on any one group. > > > > > > Israel is culpable for firing the weapon. And for allowing the > > > situation to sink to the point they have to. > > > Hamas is culpable for "forcing" Israel to fire, knowing full well > > > the consequences of their actions. > > > The civilians who elected Hamas are culpable for making terrorists > > > their elected government, knowing full well the type of government > > > to > > expect. > > > The civilians who allow rocket launchers on their apartment rooftops > > > are culpable. > > > Iran and Syria and China are culpable for arming Hamas with rockets. > > > The Arab countries are responsible for forcing the Palestinians into > > > those camps, and using them as pawns. > > > Egypt is culpable for keeping the Gaza borders locked down. > > > America is culpable for arming Israel. And for not forcing a better > > > solution > > > 10 years ago. and 20. and 40. > > > > > > There are degrees of culpability. > > > > > > But I guess here is my bottom line (that these talks have helped me > > > solidify). > > > > > > There is no excuse or reason for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. > None. > > > Zero. Not helping their cause, not helping their people, not helping > > > their military objectives. The ONLY point for them to fire is to > > > force a response from Israel, causing destruction and death to their > > > own people, and then crying foul. > > > > > > They are the Suarez of the Middle East. Ow! Hit hit my mouth! > > > > > > All else flows from those rockets. > > > > > > And nothing else good will come to them while that is their only > tactic. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hamas would be responsible for any deaths from those missiles. > > > > > > > > Israel would be responsible for any deaths resulting from any > > > > counter attacks. > > > > > > > > As I mentioned to Sam, I think you guys are conflating the words > > > > 'responsible' and 'justified'. > > > > > > > > I am not talking about whether any of these actions is justified, > > > > rather, who is responsible for the deaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized > > > > > by > > > Egypt. > > > > > > > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles On > > > > > Jul 15, 2014 9:56 AM, "Sam" <sammyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're going to analogize, at least put it in perspective. > > > > > > Let's say ranchers in CA, TX and AZ constantly fired missiles > > > > > > into Mexico every day. Mexico tells the US government to make > > > > > > them stop or they will fire back and the US did nothing. Then, > > > > > > Mexico called, emailed, texted and dropped leaflets to the > > > > > > houses, churches and schools that were firing the missiles > > > > > > explaining when and where the bombs would land. If the > > > > > > ranchers rallied more people to go to the target sites to die > > > > > > for the cause than that's on the ranchers and the people that > > > > > > showed up at the scheduled time. Unless Mexico went to the > > > > > > sites and checked, how would they know if civilians were > > > > > > there? Then you have to say to yourself, if these people are > > > > > > willing to die to send a message, they are probably willing to > > > > > > strap a bomb on and go to a crowded market so good riddance. > > > > > > But no, the Mexican government sends more notices pleading > > > > > > people to leave the targets at the given times, they use more > > > > > > precise weapons to limit casualties and they still get called > > > > > > the terrorist. It's > > called propaganda and you are buying into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Scott Stroz > > > > > > <boyz...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and > > > > > > > civilians > > > > > that > > > > > > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would > > > > > > > be > > > > absolved > > > > > > of > > > > > > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we > > > > > > > like, > > > > but > > > > > > > people nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371600 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
