Both can and should be targeted if being used for military operations.
On Jul 15, 2014 10:18 PM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com>
wrote:

>
> You left off hospitals and schools...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:49 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel...
>
>
> We never had any fire support larger than company mortars allowed to fire,
> except aviation like twice.
>
> I know during my deployment we had a few mistakes.  For us mainly caused by
> the mistrust of the Afghan army and national police.  People trying to run
> a
> tcp, because the locals are as likely to rape, rob and murder them as to
> search and protect.
>
> In this situation, with indirect fires, I think counter battery operations
> are 100% the right answer from the perspective of doctrine tactically,
> although some what against some of the objectives strategically and
> operationally.
>
> Doubly so when you consider how small a pool of candidate's that the
> Israelis have to draw from.  Preserve the force structure, destroy the
> enemies communication, command and control and logistics.  Alienate the
> local population.
> On Jul 15, 2014 5:34 PM, "Bruce Sorge" <sor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > While there have been incidents of collateral damage caused by US
> > forces (usually planes dropping huge ass bombs), we do try very hard
> > not to do this. Case in point.
> > When I was in Tikrit back in '05, the insurgents would launch four or
> > five attacks against our FOB each week during the fighting season from
> orchards.
> > We already had these locations indexed, so as soon as they shot at us,
> > we fired back with our artillery. However, the the game changer was
> > when they started launching attacks from within the city. Once that
> > happened, no more counter attacks with artillery. Instead, we'd send a
> > QRF into the sector and kick down doors. The problem though was that
> > they were not using homes to attack us, they were using pickup trucks
> > with the rocket launchers or mortars in the bed, hidden using 55
> > gallon drums or tarps. So we pretty much had to suck it up when it came
> to
> attacks from then on.
> >
> > As far as what goes through the mind of someone who has to do this, I
> > don't know. I am an infantryman. I kick down doors and go on patrols
> > looking for the enemy,  I don't fire artillery on them.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Maureen <mamamaur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > How terribly hard it must be on the soldiers who are ordered to
> > > carry out these missions, even given that they are permitted.
> > > Knowing that you are firing on non-combatants must be awful
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Bruce Sorge <sor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tim is right. According to the Protocol Additional to the Geneva
> > > > Conventions of 12 August, 1949 and relating to the Protection of
> > Victims
> > > of
> > > > International Armed Conflicts (Protocol l), 8 June 1977, launching
> > > > an attack on a military target that is being shielded by civilians
> > > > is not
> > > off
> > > > limits. Part of this states
> > > > "(c) effective advance warning shall be given of attacks which may
> > affect
> > > > the civilian population, unless circumstances do not permit."
> > > >
> > > > Of course when you read all of it, they go to great length to
> > > > deter
> > such
> > > > operations, but it's not prohibited per se.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.icrc.org/ihl/WebART/470-750073?OpenDocument
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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