That was Scott...but I do concur. I do not know why they released her and dropped the charges. Maybe they know something we don't know. To say you know, unless you were there, is bullshit. I am assuming they had good reason to drop the charges. We don't know the entire situation. Maybe that slap was her trying to defend herself...we don't know. All we can see is the small segment recorded by the elevator cam.
-----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice Wrong, Eric! Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for hers! I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this society. Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. Woman can't hide behind their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they lose! Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did > not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. > > Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, > subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to > justify his actions because you think she deserved it. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth > <r...@whitestonemedia.com> > wrote: > >> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to >> blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some >> responsibility for provoking Ray? >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't >>> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially >>> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she >>> stayed in the >> kitchen >>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? >>> >>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >>>> action have consequences. >>>> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are >>>> never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in >>>> the world" feminism. >>>> >>>> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >>>> would have struck back. >>>> >>>> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >>>> punching >>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>>>> situation. >>>>> >>>>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one >> else. >>>>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these >>>>> professional athletes realize that. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were >>>>>> a >>>> couple >>>>>> that had problems, >>>>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things >>>>>> out, >>>> and >>>>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> What would you say then? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment >>>>>>> he >>>> decided >>>>>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch >>>>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of >> someone >>>>>> who >>>>>>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in >>>>>>> her >>>> death >>>>>>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The >>>>>>> biggest red >>>>>> flag >>>>>>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for >>>>>>> the >>>>>> person >>>>>>> who the the punch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed >>>>>>> to >>>> get a >>>>>>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their >>>>>>> state >>>> of >>>>>>> mind is/was. >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. >>>>>>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >>>>>>>> A) his actions were disproportionate >>>>>>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults >>>>>>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >>>>>>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the >>>>>>>> couple or >>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> situation >>>>>>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of >>>>>>>> domestic >>>>>>> violence >>>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >>>>>> couple's >>>>>>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they >>>>>>>> were probably both very drunk. >>>>>>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire >>>>>>>> situation >>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be viewed objectively. >>>>>>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >>>>>> happened >>>>>>>> from February to now... >>>>>>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and >>>>>>>> live >> their >>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> to look after her. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They >>>> haven't >>>>>>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. >>>>>>>> They have destroyed a family. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come >>>>>>>> out >>>> and >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. >>>>>>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I >>>>>>>>> am >>>>>> giving >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> to much credit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something >>>>>>>>> Rick >>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> ever consider. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this >>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>> thread >>>>>>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, >>>>>>>>> I am flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. >>>>>> It >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years >>>>>>>>> - apparently, I am not the only one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to >>>>>>>>> deserve >>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was >>>>>>>>> never in >>>>>>>> danger. >>>>>>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting >>>>>>>>> him >> as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> victim? >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <gel21...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? >>>>>>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take >>>>>> responsibility >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do >>>>>>>>>> anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth >>>>>>>>>> it to prosecute, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> had a stronger case against him. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were >>>>>>>>>>> later >>>>>>>>> dropped. >>>>>>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372355 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
