Before you lambaste me let me read the posts and do my own research.  I
could say that you ignore the overall weight of the evidence that I will
find.  Let's wait till it all come out.  I just don't have the time
right now.  Patience.


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:08 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh

You can ignore the overall weight of the evidence. But it still exists.
You
do not agree that a person should be discriminated against based on such
genetic factors as race, but its permissible to discriminate based on
genetic factors as gender orientation. 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:59 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> 
> 
> I guess we'll see.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:58 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> 
> Not really. I did the meta-analys on this a few years ago for one
> client. I
> found a moderately substantial (>.50)correlation between biological
> factors
> and male homosexuality. The vast perponderance of the evidence shows
> that
> most likely being gay is biologically based.
> 
> --
> Larry C. Lyons
> ColdFusion/Web Developer
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> EBStor.com
> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> tel:   (703) 393-7930
> fax:   (703) 393-2659
> Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> --
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:54 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > 
> > 
> > And I am sure, as I will do at lunch, that I can find just as many
> > articles proving yours wrong.  We'll see.  I'll take a look 
> > at what you
> > sent.  Examine it and let you know what I think.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:52 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > 
> > Enough supporting evidence or do you want more? I changed the search
> > terms
> > somewhat to eliminate AIDS and HIV, and eliminate letters to 
> > the editor
> > and
> > reviews. The search terms were also changed to be somewhat more
> > inclusive.
> > 684 article were found.
> > 
> > So what more evidence do you want? 
> > 
> > I think that I demonstrated my point. The evidence supporting the
> > biological
> > basis of male homosexuality is overwheming on the genetic 
> > studies alone.
> > The
> > quality of the research is adequate.
> > 
> > Now as you were saying.
> > 
> > larry
> > 
> > --
> > Larry C. Lyons
> > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > EBStor.com
> > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > --
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:21 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ahh, but you are quick to ask for someone elses numbers 
> > when they make
> > > an unproven statement.  You are asking me to prove your 
> > point.  That's
> > > not laziness it's calling you and you can't prove what you said.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:19 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > 
> > > I am not going to do your work for you. Go to grateful med 
> > and look up
> > > the
> > > research yourself. I do not contribute to another's laziness.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > > EBStor.com
> > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > --
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:14 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Show me your numbers Larry.  I have heard arguments both 
> > > ways, but was
> > > > unaware there was a consensus.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:51 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > > 
> > > > Given that the consensus now is that homosexuality is 
> biologically
> > > > based, I
> > > > take it that you consider it ok to discriminate against 
> > > > people based on
> > > > factors that they cannot control. 
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't that what the civil rights stuff in the late 50's and 
> > > early 60's
> > > > was
> > > > all about?  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > > > EBStor.com
> > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:00 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here is my take on Homosexuality.  What you do in the 
> > > > privacy of your
> > > > > own home is your business.  I support equal rights for gay 
> > > > > people, they
> > > > > are people, they don't however, deserve special rights.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:59 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Super Duper Contraversial post....heheh
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362
> > > > > admonishments
> > > > > to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love
> > > > > heterosexuals.
> > > > > It's just that they need more supervision.     ~Lynn Lavner
> > > > > 
> > > > >  If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to 
> > > > > work: "Hello.
> > > > >  Can't work today, still queer."    ~Robin Tyler
> > > > > 
> > > > >  I'd rather be black than gay because when you're black you 
> > > > don't have
> > > > > to
> > > > > tell your mother. ~Charles Pierce, 1980
> > > > > 
> > > > >  War. Rape. Murder. Poverty. Equal rights for gays. Guess 
> > > > > which one the
> > > > > Southern Baptist Convention is protesting?    ~The Value 
> > > of Families
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich were shaking hands 
> congratulating
> > > > > themselves on the introduction of an antigay bill in 
> > > Congress. If it
> > > > > passes,
> > > > > they  won't be able to shake hands, because it will then be 
> > > > > illegal for
> > > > > a
> > > > > prick to touch an asshole.         ~Judy Carter
> > > > > 
> > > > >  'You could move.'    ~Abigail Van Buren, "Dear Abby," in 
> > > > > response to a
> > > > > reader who complained that a gay couple was moving in across 
> > > > > the street
> > > > > and
> > > > > wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the
> > > > > neighborhood.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  The one bonus of not lifting the ban on gays in the 
> > > > military is that
> > > > > the
> > > > > next time the government mandates a draft we can all declare
> > > > > homosexuality
> > > > > instead of running off to Canada.   ~Lorne Bloch
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Why can't they have gay people in the army?  Personally, I 
> > > > think they
> > > > > are
> > > > > just afraid of a thousand guys with M16s going, "Who'd 
> > you call a
> > > > > faggot?"
> > > > > ~ Jon Stewart
> > > > > 
> > > > >  My lesbianism is an act of Christian charity.  All those 
> > > women out
> > > > > there
> > > > > praying for a man, and I'm giving them my share.       
> > > > ~Rita Mae Brown
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Soldiers who are not afraid of guns, bombs, capture, 
> > > > torture or death
> > > > > say
> > > > > they are afraid of homosexuals. Clearly we should not 
> be used as
> > > > > soldiers;
> > > > > we should be used as weapons. ~Letter to the Editor, 
> > The Advocate
> > > > > 
> > > > >  You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you 
> > > > just have to
> > > > > be
> > > > > able to shoot straight.   ~Barry Goldwater
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable 
> > > > seeing two men
> > > > > holding guns than holding hands?      ~Ernest Gaines
> > > > > 
> > > > >  My own belief is that there is hardly anyone whose sexual 
> > > > life, if it
> > > > > were
> > > > > broadcast, would not fill the world at large with surprise 
> > > > and horror.
> > > > > ~W. Somerset Maugham
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Drag is when a man wears everything a lesbian won't.   
> >   ~Author
> > > > > Unknown
> > > > > 
> > > > >  If male homosexuals are called "gay," then female 
> > > > > homosexuals should be
> > > > > called "ecstatic."    ~Shelly Roberts
> > > > > 
> > > > >  My mother took me to a psychiatrist when I was fifteen 
> > > because she
> > > > > thought
> > > > > I was a latent homosexual. There was nothing latent about it. 
> > > > >   ~Amanda
> > > > > Bearse
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Some women can't say the word lesbian...even when their 
> > > > mouth is full
> > > > > of
> > > > > one.    ~Kate Clinton
> > > > > 
> > > > >  No matter how far in or out of the closet you are, you 
> > > still have a
> > > > > next
> > > > > step.      ~Author Unknown
> > > > > 
> > > > >  It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of 
> > > > > homosexuality.
> > > > > It's like disapproving of rain.      ~Francis Maude
> > > > > 
> > > > >  The only queer people are those who don't love anybody.    
> > > >  ~Rita Mae
> > > > > Brown
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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