I'm not Fraudian (pardon Freudian). I'm saying that biological influences
are major contributing factors. How it is expressed is behavioral. Overall
its a very complex issue. And to disentagle it would take a large effort.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:37 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> 
> 
> It seems to prove that some homosexuality can have a 
> biological component.
> 
> But are you saying that all homosexuality is biological?
> 
> Or are you saying that it is one factor?
> 
> From what I've read, the consensus is that biology can be a 
> contributing (even deciding) factor in some cases, but that 
> other factors come into play, including environment, and 
> definitely emotional and physical abuse.
> 
> Jerry Johnson
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/02 09:51AM >>>
> Enough supporting evidence or do you want more? I changed the 
> search terms
> somewhat to eliminate AIDS and HIV, and eliminate letters to 
> the editor and
> reviews. The search terms were also changed to be somewhat 
> more inclusive.
> 684 article were found.
> 
> So what more evidence do you want? 
> 
> I think that I demonstrated my point. The evidence supporting 
> the biological
> basis of male homosexuality is overwheming on the genetic 
> studies alone. The
> quality of the research is adequate.
> 
> Now as you were saying.
> 
> larry
> 
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> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:21 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > 
> > 
> > Ahh, but you are quick to ask for someone elses numbers 
> when they make
> > an unproven statement.  You are asking me to prove your 
> point.  That's
> > not laziness it's calling you and you can't prove what you said.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:19 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > 
> > I am not going to do your work for you. Go to grateful med 
> and look up
> > the
> > research yourself. I do not contribute to another's laziness.
> > 
> > --
> > Larry C. Lyons
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> > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
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> > fax:   (703) 393-2659
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> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > --
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:14 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Show me your numbers Larry.  I have heard arguments both 
> > ways, but was
> > > unaware there was a consensus.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:51 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > 
> > > Given that the consensus now is that homosexuality is biologically
> > > based, I
> > > take it that you consider it ok to discriminate against 
> > > people based on
> > > factors that they cannot control. 
> > > 
> > > Isn't that what the civil rights stuff in the late 50's and 
> > early 60's
> > > was
> > > all about?  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Larry C. Lyons
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> > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
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> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > --
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Here is my take on Homosexuality.  What you do in the 
> > > privacy of your
> > > > own home is your business.  I support equal rights for gay 
> > > > people, they
> > > > are people, they don't however, deserve special rights.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:59 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Super Duper Contraversial post....heheh
> > > > 
> > > > The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362
> > > > admonishments
> > > > to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love
> > > > heterosexuals.
> > > > It's just that they need more supervision.     ~Lynn Lavner
> > > > 
> > > >  If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to 
> > > > work: "Hello.
> > > >  Can't work today, still queer."    ~Robin Tyler
> > > > 
> > > >  I'd rather be black than gay because when you're black you 
> > > don't have
> > > > to
> > > > tell your mother. ~Charles Pierce, 1980
> > > > 
> > > >  War. Rape. Murder. Poverty. Equal rights for gays. Guess 
> > > > which one the
> > > > Southern Baptist Convention is protesting?    ~The Value 
> > of Families
> > > > 
> > > >  Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich were shaking hands congratulating
> > > > themselves on the introduction of an antigay bill in 
> > Congress. If it
> > > > passes,
> > > > they  won't be able to shake hands, because it will then be 
> > > > illegal for
> > > > a
> > > > prick to touch an asshole.         ~Judy Carter
> > > > 
> > > >  'You could move.'    ~Abigail Van Buren, "Dear Abby," in 
> > > > response to a
> > > > reader who complained that a gay couple was moving in across 
> > > > the street
> > > > and
> > > > wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the
> > > > neighborhood.
> > > > 
> > > >  The one bonus of not lifting the ban on gays in the 
> > > military is that
> > > > the
> > > > next time the government mandates a draft we can all declare
> > > > homosexuality
> > > > instead of running off to Canada.   ~Lorne Bloch
> > > > 
> > > >  Why can't they have gay people in the army?  Personally, I 
> > > think they
> > > > are
> > > > just afraid of a thousand guys with M16s going, "Who'd 
> you call a
> > > > faggot?"
> > > > ~ Jon Stewart
> > > > 
> > > >  My lesbianism is an act of Christian charity.  All those 
> > women out
> > > > there
> > > > praying for a man, and I'm giving them my share.       
> > > ~Rita Mae Brown
> > > > 
> > > >  Soldiers who are not afraid of guns, bombs, capture, 
> > > torture or death
> > > > say
> > > > they are afraid of homosexuals. Clearly we should not be used as
> > > > soldiers;
> > > > we should be used as weapons. ~Letter to the Editor, 
> The Advocate
> > > > 
> > > >  You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you 
> > > just have to
> > > > be
> > > > able to shoot straight.   ~Barry Goldwater
> > > > 
> > > >  Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable 
> > > seeing two men
> > > > holding guns than holding hands?      ~Ernest Gaines
> > > > 
> > > >  My own belief is that there is hardly anyone whose sexual 
> > > life, if it
> > > > were
> > > > broadcast, would not fill the world at large with surprise 
> > > and horror.
> > > > ~W. Somerset Maugham
> > > > 
> > > >  Drag is when a man wears everything a lesbian won't.   
>   ~Author
> > > > Unknown
> > > > 
> > > >  If male homosexuals are called "gay," then female 
> > > > homosexuals should be
> > > > called "ecstatic."    ~Shelly Roberts
> > > > 
> > > >  My mother took me to a psychiatrist when I was fifteen 
> > because she
> > > > thought
> > > > I was a latent homosexual. There was nothing latent about it. 
> > > >   ~Amanda
> > > > Bearse
> > > > 
> > > >  Some women can't say the word lesbian...even when their 
> > > mouth is full
> > > > of
> > > > one.    ~Kate Clinton
> > > > 
> > > >  No matter how far in or out of the closet you are, you 
> > still have a
> > > > next
> > > > step.      ~Author Unknown
> > > > 
> > > >  It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of 
> > > > homosexuality.
> > > > It's like disapproving of rain.      ~Francis Maude
> > > > 
> > > >  The only queer people are those who don't love anybody.    
> > >  ~Rita Mae
> > > > Brown
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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