1. They are not citizens of the United States therefore they have no rights under US law.
2. They are not prisoners of war as there was no declared war at the time of hostilities, or now. 3. They are primarily not Afghan citizens. So they have no basis in saying we are wronging the Afghan people. 4. The Taliban was only one government of Afghanistan, and was not actually the recognized government at the time of hostilities. The Northern Alliance was the recognized government and they invited us in and allowed us to take the foreign fighters out of their country. They didn't want them. Ok to get back to the Lindh case for a minute. 1. He is a US citizen, who was working against our nation. Personally I think he should have been tried for treason. He wasn't, he was however charged with crimes against American citizens. The same way that various bombers terrorists and world leaders have been in the past. This discussion has gone to some many different points that it's not funny. I think the question should be: Does the US have the right to charge an American citizen of crimes committed in a different country? I would say yes. Within limits. Something like if it's against another American(s). In this case he was fighting against us. In your country you said they don't have treason, you just instantly loose your citizenship. Guess what? In most cases that means under the Geneva convention you can be treated as a spy or saboteur (since you usually won't be in a UNIFORMED service, and Lindh was not in uniform) and you can summarily execute those people without a trial. So lets look at the horrible conditions of the detainees in Cuba. They are fed and clothed, and they have medical care provided to them. They are not returned tot heir home countries where the treatment would be horrific. Since there was no uniformed service in Afghanistan at that time are you aware that we could, under international law, line them all up and shoot them. That would be legal. I have always thought it's funny that when people want to criticize the US they forget all the good we do. They forget there would be no Europe as it is now without us. I read a letter a while back from a Canadian thanking us for all of our help. I wish more people would remember the things we do. Guess what Jochem, when there's a natural disaster in your country it's not going to be Afghans and Palestinians who send money and relief workers to aid you. When (not if) there is another war in Europe, it's not going to be the Red Chinese or some third world south American country that goes out of it's way to advance liberty and equality. Bro, I just see you as having a bit of a twisted world view. Are we perfect, not by a long shot. We have lots to improve on. But we are the best thing going so far. Tim Heald Developer Schoollink, Inc. 910.223.2116 x 122 http://www.schoollink.net <http://www.schoollink.net> Providing technology solutions for educators Fusebox Advisory Committee http://www.fusebox.org <http://www.fusebox.org/> Fayetteville ColdFusion User Group http://www.fcfug.org <http://www.fcfug.org/> > -----Original Message----- > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Lindh pleads guilty, won't receive life in prison > > > Bill Wheatley wrote: > > Theres something called preventive detention for if you THINK someone is > > going to commit a crime > > And naturally there are rules for that. Rules that say how long you can > be detained, after how long you have to be formally charged, by whom to > complain if you disagree. > > Apparently some 564 people arrested in Afgahanistan from 38 countries > are held on Guantánamo Bay without having been charged according to US > law or having been treated according to the Geneva Convention. > Add some 75 people that were arrested in the US, most for visa offences, > and that are still locked up, for longer as 90 days now. None of them > have a lawyer. > > What happened to innocent until proven guilty? > > Jochem > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
