Ok,
So you moved to this country, with a knowledge that you dislike the way
it's government does things. Why would you do that? I mean you came here
from another country presumably Canada (I think you mentioned something
along those lines once). Was the decision to originally move here purely
economic? I guess I would ask any new immigrant 1 question that I would
want an honest answer to. It would have to be an essay question I guess.
Please summarize and to the best of your knowledge explain the reasons for
and meaning of the constitution of the united states.
I don't say if you don't like it leave. If you are born here I can totally
understand disagreeing with the way thing are, and wanting to do something
about it. My problem is if you aren't born here, and want to change things.
I mean why come here in the first place, there has to be something here
better than where ever you are coming from right?
I have made it clear that I would like to see sweeping changes made to our
government to see it returned to the constitutional republic from whence it
came (I love that phrase :). However, I was born here. I have served in
our armed forces. I vote in every election. I support candidates, I write
letters, I sign petitions. I am proactive in regards to my opinions. I am
not someone from the outside, who may not even understand our system of
government, and what it means to us in both a legal and a cultural sense.
Don't leave. Just don't come in the first place unless you like what you
see.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others
>
>
> I am an immigrant. I am going for my citizenship later this year.
>
> to quote Isaac Dealey in response to what you imply:
>
> > And I say this:
> >
> > Just like America, if you don't like it, LEAVE!
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
>
> I've never cared for this statement... I don't much care for the US gov't,
> laws, policies ( foreign or domestic ) etc. but it's not always as easy as
> "shut up or get out" ... Some of us actually would like to change
> the things
> we find troublesome or sometimes downright "wrong" about the way this
> country operates, because we don't want to leave our families, friends or
> homes behind to move out of the country. Even for those of us who may not
> care to stay in the country, leaving isn't always an easy thing to do
> either. It usually means finding a job in another country or learning
> another language or both.
>
> We cultural critics don't present our criticisms necessarily because we
> dislike the people here or because we think some place else is better, but
> because we see things we feel need to change. Often we also don't know how
> to go about changing these things we feel need to change, or rather, don't
> have ready-made solutions, and so a lot of people see us as being
> "whiners"... but really we're just trying to raise awareness of various
> things we see as problems.
>
> I do agree however that anyone who has problems with the ways the list or
> HoF are managed ought to present their complaints in a civil and
> professional manner to the list or otherwise in any manner to Mike in
> private email.
>
> Isaac Dealey
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
>
> www.turnkey.to
> 954-776-0046
> --
>
> this about says it all on the topic. One can be critical of something or
> those one may care about. Its a difficult concept to grasp. deal with it.
>
> larry
> --
> Larry C. Lyons
> ColdFusion/Web Developer
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> EBStor.com
> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> tel: (703) 393-7930
> fax: (703) 393-2659
> Web: http://www.ebstor.com
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> --
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:28 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others
> >
> >
> > I was speaking as relates to his past express opinions on
> > this list. It's
> > funny that as one of the people who knocks many of our
> > policies, he still
> > wants to immigrate here.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:05 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others
> > >
> > >
> > > Timothy
> > >
> > > Stalin made that quote in the 1930's and has been quoted by both
> > > on the left
> > > and the right. One example is McCarthy who used it in a
> > speech to his
> > > infamous Committee on un-American Activities. All that type
> > of insinuation
> > > does is demonizes those that may think differently from convention.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> > > EBStor.com
> > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > tel: (703) 393-7930
> > > fax: (703) 393-2659
> > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com
> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > --
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:00 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why am I not surprised that you can quote Stalin?
> > > >
> > > > Timothy Heald
> > > > ACP/CCFD :)
> > > > 910-425-9988
> > > >
> > > > Manager Fayetteville ColdFusion User Group
> > > > http://www.fcfug.org
> > > >
> > > > Fusebox Advisory Committee Member
> > > > http://www.fusebox.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:04 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Some people are more equal as others
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > William H. Bowen wrote:
> > > > > Of course, at the same time, the rest of the world
> > broke their necks
> > > > racing
> > > > > at great speeds to help out.
> > > >
> > > > Some even broke their necks racing to help people deeper in.
> > > > I can think
> > > > of at least 4 countries (2 African and 2 European). But the
> > > > thought that
> > > > this tpe of calculation is actually made (even apart from the
> > > > outcome of
> > > > it) just doesn't feel right.
> > > >
> > > > And do you know what is scary? Hearing these numbers
> > doesn't even make
> > > > me angry, just sad. Sad of what a place this world is.
> > Sad that when I
> > > > take a god look at some of the classes I follow in Uni, they
> > > > teach me to
> > > > do exactly this type of calculation. But in the end I
> > will just shrug
> > > > and go on.
> > > > Sometimes I wonder whether I should be disturbed by myself.
> > > >
> > > > Jochem
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
> > > > - Joseph Stalin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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