::nod:: but since I know what they do on computers (neopets, runescape) and
am not worried about it, it became a matter of could they use the computers
unsupervised without creating work for the staff. Once it became clear that
the answer was yes, they were allowed to do so. 

The main library in San Antonio is fairly impressive. It's the only library
I have seen so far, except Houston, that had mangas at all, and they had a
pretty extensive collection. For example. Overall I was pretty impressed
with the library system, though our local branch was a bit small and closed
on Sundays. This made it worthwhile to drive downtown and pay for parking.

Dana


Doug White writes:

> I would have to agree that "babysitting" should not be a responsibility of the
> library employees.  The basic problem, I believe, is society-wide, in that
> parents do not want the responsibility of raising their own kids, instead they
> want a societal environment created just for them, no matter what it may take
> away from adults.
> I would be  a strong advocate of not letting a kid anywhere near a library
> computer unless accompanied by a parent and hold the parent responsible if
> "inappropriate content" is accessed and displayed.
> 
> But gee, I have not been to the Main L:library, since I was in high school and
> was on a field trip to see the Circus Exhibit.  We are talking early 50's here
> :-)  I live within the city limits, (two blocks from Loop 1604) but absolutely
> abhor ever having to make a trip (for any reason) downtown, a distance of 19
> miles.  I watch the river parades on TV!  I recently attended a funeral at
> Sunset Memorial Park on Austin Hwy (40 miles) and another at the Fort Sam
> Houston National Cemetery (44 miles) and that was trip enough.  I can drive to
> Medina Lake in less time that it takes to drive downtown! :-)
> 
> Playing the "for the children" card is a popular emotion when addressing most
> any social issue that may come up.  Parental responsibility, is never addressed.
> On the other hand, it is quite possible that the computer-savvy kids, know far
> more about these "inappropriate" things than do the ignoramus or inattentive
> parents.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Porn in the Library
> 
> 
> | I suspect that's the policy in your local library not the system. When we
> | went to the library all three of us used to sign up. And at the main San
> | Antonio branch the children's computers are on a different floor. From what
> | I gather from talking to the librarians there, the supervision issue is
> | more a matter of they don't want to have to "babysit", or have to find the
> | parent if the kid *is* lookng at somethg inappropriate. They got to kow
> | that my kids did not present issues in either respect and supervision was
> | not an issue.
> |
> | Dana
> |
> | > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:12 AM
> | > > To: CF-Community
> | > > Subject: Re: Porn in the Library
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > Living is a fairly large city where the Library
> | > > Administrators had refused to install filtering, with the
> | > > reasoning that no child should be allowed to use Library
> | > > computers on the internet without parental supervision. They
> | > > have had a policy in effect for years now, refusing
> | > > unsupervised use of the internet by minors, requiring them to
> | > > be accompanied by and under the direct supervision of a parent.
> | > >
> | > > Another reason was that less than 10% of the use of library
> | > > computers was by minors, and the remainder by adult users,
> | > > who do not require filtering.
> | > >
> | > > I suppose this ruling will mandate that they install the
> | > > filtering, even though they do not work as expected.  Porn
> | > > Site operators are very busy detecting and circumventing any
> | > > filtering system in existence.  You can tell this just by the
> | > > spam you receive.
> | > >
> | > > This also does nothing about the access from home, or the
> | > > porn sites actually owned and operated by minors.
> | > >
> | > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> | > > From: "Harkins,Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:59 AM
> | > > Subject: RE: Porn in the Library
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > | I'm in favor of the porn filters in the library as well. If
> | > > people are
> | > > | going to that then they are wasting the bandwidth. -Patrick
> | > > |
> | > > | >-----Original Message-----
> | > > | >From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > > | >Subject: Re: Porn in the Library
> | > > | >
> | > > | >
> | > > | >nobody commented on this. Too many other topics, or does
> | > > nobody else
> | > > | >find this slightly troubling?
> | > > | >
> | > > | >Dana
> | > > | >
> | > > |
> | > > |
> | > >
> | >
> | 
> 
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