Everybody is correct when they say that the situations I proposed are valid for heterosexaul couples as well. The crux of my arguments is that men behave very differenty from women when posed in the same situation. I believe that men will find any and all possible ways to exploit the system - women no longer have to be a part of it. Am I wrong on this, Larry? You're a behavior expert, right? What I meant was that women think differently than men - no need to twist my words, I'll do my own twisting.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(CSC)
To: CF-Community
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: You People
Ahh, missed that. Trick question!
I guess it would be similar if a person brought a child from a prior marriage, and then got divorced? Doesn't really fit... Got me on this one.
Anything that doesn't fit our traditional models will bring a few problems; we're facing the unknown here. A bit painful, but all growth is. I usually go with the "it'll sort out" mind set.
Matthew
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:00 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: You People
You're missing the main point - in a same sex marriage, only one person is the biological parent (assuming no adoption). What happens when a bi-sexual married female has sex with a man and gets pregnant - who are the parents? Both women and the guy?
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(CSC)
To: CF-Community
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: You People
>> What happens when a same-sex couple divorces? Who gets the child? Who pays alimony?
Are these questions any clearer in traditional marriages?
>> WIll be be ok for any two people to get married just for the benefits?
People do this all the time already, either contractually for legal benefits, or to gain the "roomie" benefits in common law marriages.
Matthew
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:43 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: You People
What happens when a same-sex couple divorces? Who gets the child? Who pays alimony? WIll be be ok for any two people to get married just for the benefits? A couple of guys are roommates, one needs health insurance, the other has it so they get married. In the military, a person gets extra money to live off base when he/she gets married - will that apply to a couple of privates who don't want to live in the barracks? There are a lot of issues that this will confound.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Haggerty, Mike
To: CF-Community
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: You People
I'm not sure this is guilt some much as my stupid-people sense kicking
in. I mean, I'm not rapidly opposed to the idea, I can just see
situations where it might be put to bad use.
Soemthing strikes me as odd when two guys could watch the Red Sox play a
1:00 game, get wasted on Schlitz, and end up at a county courthouse
later that day with the full legal right to get married. That's not
catholic guilt, that's a joke people were telling back in the 50s.
Or a fraternity could use it as a hazing ritual, getting all the plebes
married off to one another. I have seen this done in mock fashion, and I
know people who would have made kids go all the way (and kids who would
have).
Or a gang thing where you have to prove how hardcore you are.
Imagine if downtrodden men were marrying themselves off to help
immigrants get citizenship. Panhandlers will beat themselves up with
sticks for a $20, why not marriage?
It just strikes me as running counter to the stated aims of the
instituion of marriage, to bring social and financial stablity to a
country. People could easily abuse this for short-term gain, amusement,
status, etc. The bar would need to be set fairly high in order to avoid
the problems that go along with it.
M
-----Original Message-----
From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:05 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: You People
>I blame the Liberals on this list for derailing my train of thought.
>Nobody ever talk about same sex marriage again, it gives me the
willies.
That's just your catholic guilt reflex kicking in man. You'll get over
it
:)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:05 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: You People
I had something important I was going to respond to, where someone asked
a question and didn't get a response. I had it all thought out and was
getting ready to put it to email, when someone asked me something about
stylesheets here in the office. I helped him out, then that thread about
Massachusetts came up and I had to post something dumb.
Now I can't remember what I was going to say, or who I was going to
respond to. I looked through all the messages (handily sorted by
Microsoft Outlook 2003, the best email editor there is or ever will be)
and realized I cannot find what I was going to respond to.
...
I blame the Liberals on this list for derailing my train of thought.
Nobody ever talk about same sex marriage again, it gives me the willies.
M
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