http://dir.salon.com/books/feature/2001/07/04/dershowitz/index.html
As for deception... hehe, are you sure there shouldn't bhave been a grin after that statement? LOL. What about "the tax cut will benefit small businesses?" and "the British government has learned"?
As the French would say -- we agree in principle. LOL.
Dana
>Missed you. Welcome back to rhetoric central!
>
>I don't see how Bush corrupted the Supreme Court since I believe that they
>made the correct decision in Florida. I don't see where / how he deceived us
>and I certainly don't agree to the no purpose thing. Latest polls from Iraq
>support my view(only on throwing the bum out).
>
>Besides that, we agree totally! ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 3:31 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re:Bush gives the finger to the world again
>
>
> Andy,
>
> Perhaps you are putting the cart before the horse. Consider the possibility
>that people may dislike Bush *because* he corrupted the Supremem Court,
>deceived the American people time after time, and embroiled the US in a
>senseless and dangerous military adventure to no good purpose. I mean, that is
>enough for me.
>
> I don't say these things because I dislike the man. He seems quite sincere
>in his beliefs, and if he were a member of my chuch I might invite him to
>dinner. That doesn't make his beliefs less dangerous. Nor does it mean that he
>is not being used, or possibly allowing himself to be used.
>
> Personally, I rather dislike the Clintons. I still have a reluctant
>admiration for them. Both of them are great populists.
> >Clearly, if you hold this perspective, then you ought to fight to ensure
>that
> >NO US businesses are allowed to bid or be paid for any activity there.
> >
> >However, the tough love thing is a bit much. Is it possible that you hate
>the
> >current administration with a passion and want it to be hurt, embarrassed
>at
> >any cost? If so, this could be clouding your reasoning.
> >
> >Given the current reality, it makes no sense to allow any country that did
>not
> >support the current efforts to bid or profit. In fact, there is a solid
> >argument that if France and Germany had supported the US that the war may
> >never have been needed. Sadaam, seeing the writing on the wall, would have
> >capitulated. However, this is seer speculation that is not were we are
>now.
> >Just like this continuing anger over Bush(can we hear about the stolen
> >election again?).
> >
> >So, lets think about what needs to happen given where we are today, shall
>we.
> >First, we need to world to start participating. While Bush is not doing
> >everything I would like him to do, both France and Germany are still
>pouting
> >about being made irrelevant. There refusal to contribute anything to the
> >rebuilding effort underscores this. Perhaps this total exclusion, which is
>a
> >response to their previous actions may slap them into the here and now.
>They
> >will have to deal with Bush, must likely for more than 4 years.
> >
> >Andy
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:59 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Bush gives the finger to the world again
> >
> >
> > Personally, I want America to feel this economically. I want the us to
>have
> > to pay the price for lying and attacking with no provocation.
> >
> > I say that as a staunch supporter of America. It's tough love. If we do
> > something wrong, we shouldn't reap the benefits. It's that simple. I
>don't
> > want the US to be the Mafia of the world.
> >
> > -Kevin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:52 AM
> > Subject: RE: Bush gives the finger to the world again
> >
> > > the us and the other sixty-odd countries who helped us get to bid. now
>I'm
> > > not arguing the fact that the us companies may get the bulk of the
> > > contracts, but I as a taxpayer would rather my money go to US companies
> > than
> > > another countries.
> > >
> > > i am also not arguing that there wont be corruption in the contract
> > process,
> > > ahem Halibuton, but it is still better than the French getting my
>money.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Bush gives the finger to the world again
> > >
> > >
> > > Why should US companies benefit from a war manufactured by our own
> > country?
> > > When organized crime does that it's called a "protection racket".
> > >
> > > -Kevin
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:32 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Bush gives the finger to the world again
> > >
> > > > The countries in question can still do business with Iraq, they just
> > cant
> > > > bid on the contracts that the US taxpayers are paying for. They can
>be
> > > hired
> > > > as subcontractors for the contracts as well. I dont see why this is
>such
> > a
> > > > huge deal? Why should the US taxpayers pay french companies to
>rebuild
> > > Iraq
> > > > when they werent willing to support the US efforts in the first
>place?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:28 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Bush gives the finger to the world again
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Former top U.S. officials are blasting the Bush administration for
> > > reopening
> > > > a rift with Europe by excluding critics of the war from prime
>contracts
> > > for
> > > > Iraq's reconstruction.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html
> > > <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html>
> > > > <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html>
> > > >
> > > > "I thought we were in the process of acquiring support rather than
> > > > alienating it," former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (search)
> > > said.
> > > >
> > > > So let me get this straight.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Economy is bad.
> > > > 2. Find a patsy country and accuse them of something unfounded.
> > > > 3. Get called on it by other countries.
> > > > 4. Attack anyway
> > > > 5. Deny reconstruction contracts to countries that wouldn't help in
>an
> > > > illegal war.
> > > >
> > > > And people are complaining? I don't get it. It looks like a perfect
>plan
> > > to
> > > > boost the economy by giving local companies big contracts.
> > > >
> > > > -Kevin
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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