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Matthew Small wrote:

> Where is that from?
>
> - Matt Small
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Marlon Moyer
>   To: CF-Community
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:44 PM
>   Subject: Re: distinctions between xmas and chanukah
>
>   Or just realize "there is no spoon"
>
>   Matthew Small wrote:
>
>   > It's never too late to start practicing.  It will probably bring you
>   > some inner peace.  You should try your native faith or that of your
>   > wife and children.  Good luck.
>   >
>   > - Matt Small
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Charlie Griefer
>   >   To: CF-Community
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:00 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: Re:distinctions between xmas and chanukah
>   >
>   >   Heya Ben:
>   >
>   >   Actually that was said with a hint of sarcasm (what?  you couldn't
>   > hear it?) : )
>   >
>   >   Unfortunately, that's the way it was in my house.  We just weren't
>   > very religious...and it was fairly early on that Chanukah
>   > 'degenerated' into a simple gift exchange with no ceremony
> attached to
>   > it...and ultimately into nothing at all.
>   >
>   >   Today, I consider myself a non-practicing Jew.  I'm married to a
>   > wonderful Lutheran woman, and we are raising our children
>   > Lutheran.  My wife's religion was simply more important to her than
>   > mine was to me, due to the way each of us was brought up.  To be
>   > honest, it's very depressing not having a religion to believe in.  I
>   > don't mind at all that my daughter (and whatever children follow) are
>   > going to be raised Lutheran.  I wouldn't have cared if I had
> fallen in
>   > love and married a Catholic or an Episcopalean or for that
> matter... a
>   > Jew.  All that mattered (and matters) to me is that whatever religion
>   > it ended up being...that they practiced it.  I don't necessarily care
>   > what they believe...but I want them to believe in *something*.
>   >
>   >   Trust me, I envy you for taking pleasure in the simple act of
>   > lighting the candles and saying the prayers (regardless of whether or
>   > not gifts were involved).  I envy your children for having had those
>   > principles instilled in them (and commend you for doing so).  I'm
>   > going to try and do the same for my children.  Wish me luck  : )
>   >
>   >   Charlie
>   >
>   >     ----- Original Message -----
>   >     From: Ben Braver
>   >     To: CF-Community
>   >     Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:38 PM
>   >     Subject: Re:distinctions between xmas and chanukah
>   >
>   >     Oh, Charlie, do I ever disagree with you on this:
>   >
>   >     "No reason to light the menorah and say a prayer if there were no
>   > presents to open", you say?
>   >
>   >     *NOT*
>   >
>   >     My young-adult kids even asked a couple of years ago that I
> not go
>   > overboard trying to fill up 8 days with presents.
>   >
>   >     We say the blessings and light the menorah whether we have
>   > presents or not. I love to sit and watch the candles. Yes, sometimes
>   > we skip a night due to some of the schedule conflicts this time of
>   > year, but not because there are no gifts for that night...
>   >
>   >     YMMV.
>   >
>   >     -Ben
>   >
>   >     > my take on #10...
>   >     >
>   >     > kids will always get their xmas presents...
>   >     > but on any given night of Chanukah, a parent reserves the
> right to
>   >     > withhold presents (or at least to threaten to do so).  
>   >     >
>   >     > Actually I was relatively young when my parents started the
>   >     > "bargaining process".  As the presents I wanted became more and
>   > more
>   >     > expensive, I was told, "OK...but if you want <name of more
>   > expensive
>   >     > present here>, you can only get 5 gifts instead of 8".
>   >     >
>   >     > Eventually one gift got exchanged, the menorah gathered dust (no
>   >     > reason to light the menorah and say a prayer if there were no
>   > presents
>   >     > to open), and we all just grew up and grew jaded  : )
>   >     >
>   >     > ah, youth.
>   >     >
>   >      
>   >     > ----- Original Message -----
>   >      
>   >     > From: Ben Braver
>   >      
>   >     > To: CF-Community
>   >      
>   >     > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:14 AM
>   >      
>   >     > Subject: Re:distinctions between xmas and chanukah
>   >     >
>   >     >
>   >      
>   >     > Oy, Charlie, ROFLMAO bubbela !!
>   >      
>   >     > Vay is meer, that was FUNNY!
>   >      
>   >     > But I don't get #10 ??
>   >      
>   >     > re: #12, Joseph preceded the Xmas carol saying
>   >      
>   >     > "Have yourself a Mary little Christmas"
>   >      
>   >     > <hohoho>
>   >      
>   >     > -Ben
>   >     >
>   >      
>   >     > >HOLIDAY DISTINCTIONS
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >1. Christmas is one day, same day every year: December 25.
> Jews
>   > also
>   >     > love
>   >      
>   >     > >December 25th. It's another paid day off work. We go to
> movies and
>   >     > out for
>   >      
>   >     > >Chinese food, and Israeli dancing. Chanukah is 8 days. It
>   > starts the
>   >     > evening
>   >      
>   >     > >of the 24th of Kislev, whenever that falls. No one is ever
>   > sure. Jews
>   >     > never
>   >      
>   >     > >know until a non-Jewish friend asks when Chanukah starts,
>   > forcing us
>   >     > to
>   >      
>   >     > >consult a calendar so we don't look like idiots. We all
> have the
>   >     > same
>   >      
>   >     > >calendar, provided free with a donation from either the World
>   > Jewish
>   >      
>   >     > >Congress, the kosher butcher, or the local Sinai Memorial
> Chapel
>   >     > (especially
>   >      
>   >     > >in Florida) or other Jewish funeral home.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >2. Christmas is a major holiday. Chanukah is a minor holiday
>   > with the
>   >     > same
>   >      
>   >     > >theme as most Jewish holidays. They tried to kill us, we
> survived,
>   >     > let's
>   >      
>   >     > >eat.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >3. Christians get wonderful presents such as jewelry, perfume,
>   >     > stereos...
>   >      
>   >     > >Jews get practical presents such as underwear, socks, or the
>   >     > collected works
>   >      
>   >     > >of the Rambam, which looks impressive on the bookshelf.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >4. There is only one way to spell Christmas. No one can decide
>   > how to
>   >     > spell
>   >      
>   >     > >Chanukah, Chanukah, Chanukka, Channukah, Hanukah, Hannukah.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >5. Christmas is a time of great pressure for husbands and
>   > boyfriends.
>   >     > Their
>   >      
>   >     > >partners expect special gifts. Jewish men are relieved of that
>   > burden.
>   >     > No
>   >      
>   >     > >one expects a diamond ring on Chanukah.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >6. Christmas brings enormous electric bills. Candles are
> used for
>   >     > Chanukah.
>   >      
>   >     > >Not only are we spared enormous electric bills, but we get
> to feel
>   >     > good
>   >      
>   >     > >about not contributing to the energy crisis.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >7. Christmas carols are beautiful. Silent Night, Come All Ye
>   > Faithful....
>   >     >
>   >      
>   >     > >Chanukah songs are about dreidels made from clay or having
> a party
>   >     > and
>   >      
>   >     > >dancing the horah. Of course, we are secretly pleased that
> many of
>   >     > the
>   >      
>   >     > >beautiful carols were composed and written by our tribal
> brethren.
>   >     > And don't
>   >      
>   >     > >Barbara Streisand and Neil Diamond sing them beautifully?
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >8. A home preparing for Christmas smells wonderful. The sweet
>   > smell
>   >     > of
>   >      
>   >     > >cookies and cakes baking. Happy people are gathered around in
>   > festive
>   >     > moods.
>   >      
>   >     > >A home preparing for Chanukah smells of oil, potatoes, and
> onions.
>   >     > The home,
>   >      
>   >     > >as always, is full of loud people all talking at once.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >9. Women have fun baking Christmas cookies. Women burn their
>   > eyes and
>   >     > cut
>   >      
>   >     > >their hands grating potatoes and onions for latkas on Chanukah.
>   >     > Another
>   >      
>   >     > >reminder of our suffering through the ages.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >10. Parents deliver to their children during Christmas. Jewish
>   >     > parents have
>   >      
>   >     > >no qualms about withholding a gift on any of the eight nights.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >11. The players in the Christmas story have easy to pronounce
>   > names
>   >     > such as
>   >      
>   >     > >Mary, Joseph, and Jesus. The players in the Chanukah story are
>   >     > Antiochus,
>   >      
>   >     > >Judah Maccabee, and Matta whatever. No one can spell it or
>   > pronounce
>   >     > it. On
>   >      
>   >     > >the plus side, we can tell our friends anything and they
>   > believe we
>   >     > are
>   >      
>   >     > >wonderfully versed in our history.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >12. Many Christians believe in the virgin birth. Jews think,
>   > "Joseph,
>   >     >
>   >      
>   >     > >Bubela, snap out of it. Your woman is pregnant, you didn't
>   > sleep with
>   >     > her,
>   >      
>   >     > >and now you want to blame G-d. Here's the number of my shrink."
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >      
>   >     > >13. In recent years, Christmas has become more and more
>   >     > commercialized. The
>   >      
>   >     > >same holds true for Chanukah, even though it is a minor
>   > holiday. It
>   >     > makes
>   >      
>   >     > >sense. How could we market a major holiday such as Yom Kippur?
>   > Forget
>   >     > about
>   >      
>   >     > >celebrating. Think observing. Come to synagogue, starve
>   > yourself for
>   >     > 27
>   >      
>   >     > >hours, become one with your dehydrated soul, beat your chest,
>   > confess
>   >     > your
>   >      
>   >     > >sins, a guaranteed good time for you and your family.
> Tickets a
>   > mere
>   >     > $200
>   >      
>   >     > >per person.
>   >      
>   >     > >
>   >
>
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