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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: Return of the King - SPOILER -
Glad I'm not the only one with that impression. Some of the EQ fans
I've met at various conventions were worse than the Klingon types you
see at SF conventions. I remember one girl who gushed about arranging
to have plastic surgery on her ears. That I simply don't understand.
I rather freaked a few of them out when I hauled out all the first
series to be signed.
larry
>I've met the Pini's several times (I lived in upstate NY and they live, or
>at least lived then, in Poughkeepsie so they went to all the local shows).
>
>
>Very nice people - but some weird ass fans. People consider trekkies or
>Star Wars fans odd, but at least they're recognized. "ElfQuest" fans just
>as rabid but not nearly predictable. ;^)
>
>
>I was waiting in line to speak with them. I had the two "Beauty and the
>Beast" graphic novels they did for First Publishing with me to be signed (so
>kill me, I loved that show). The guy ahead of me had literally EVERY SINGLE
>collected ElfQuest book - a stack nearly two feet tall - and was wearing Elf
>ears. He told me that "every time I drive by Poughkeepsie I say, 'There's
>Elfland!'"
>
>
>I saw Richard later walking and mentioned to him "you have some really
>intense fans". His answer was "Yeah, we love'em but sometimes I'm glad we
>have a table between us."
>
>
>Some of those upstate shows were great - just a high-school gym or
>auditorium, but SO MANY great people lived in that area. Jim Shooter, Berni
>Wrightson, the Pinis, and lots of others that I can't remember. The Hudson
>Valley was a gold mine for comic pros.
>
>
>Jim Davis
>
>
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>From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:58 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Return of the King - SPOILER -
>
>
>Given that he filmed it first then animated on top of it, its no
>wonder it was an expensive effort. I also preferred elements of the
>Bakshi LOTR. However Bakshi does not have a good reputation among
>artists and writers. Ralph Pini one of the people who did the comic
>series ElfQuest, has stated that he would not work with him if Bakshi
>was the last animator on earth.
>
>larry
>
>>I actually appreciated many of the staging and scripting elements of the
>>Bakshi version as well.
>>
>>
>>For example the scene with Galadriel's mirror was much more as I had
>>envisioned: she was lighthearted, always in control and genuinely pleased
>>when Frodo asked her if she'd like the ring. She was never seriously
>>tempted. The scene was serious in subject but light in tone: I felt it
>>(rightly) gave Frodo just a hint of respite and levity. In the Jackson
>>version the scene was hard, taut and dramatic. She WAS very seriously
>>tempted.
>>
>>
>>Also while I didn't care so much for the design for the Balrog the fall of
>>Gandalf was more tense in the Bakshi version. Gandalf was pulled over
>while
>>Boromir dove to save him missing him by inches. In the Jackson version
>>there was never really any scale set - Gandalf hung there for quite a while
>>and we're left wondering why somebody didn't try to run and pull him back
>>up.
>>
>>
>>They did play a little simpler in the Bakshi version, but they gave him
>more
>>depth as well. His desire to see elves was more clear as was his love for
>>Bill the pony.
>>
>>
>>Overall I greatlyprefer the Jackson version (the Bakshi version was more
>>experiment than anything else) but I think he often adds melodrama where
>>it's not needed and special effects where the actors skill should be enough
>>(namely when Bilbo accuses Gandalf of trying to keep the ring himself,
>where
>>Bilbo attempts to snatch the ring from Frodo and where Galadriel s
>tempted).
>>
>>
>>But still, I wish Bakshi had been able to do the second installment of his
>>version.
>>
>>
>>Jim Davis
>>
>>
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>>From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:55 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: Re: Return of the King - SPOILER -
>>
>>
>>The rotoscoping was better in Wizards, too.
>>
>>will
>>
>>Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> >
>>> I have the movies on DVD, the Rankin and Bass The Hobbit and Return
>>> of the King, and Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings. The Rankin and
>>> Bass stuff are garbage, the Bakshi film was an interesting
>>> experiment. The rotoscopy technique he used was much better developed
>>> in film Fire and Ice he did with Frank Frazetta.
>>>
>>> larry
>>>
>>> >I have an even vaguer memory of the animated movies. :-)
>>> >
>>> > I think I'm going to have to read the books again.
>>> >
>>> >At 04:05 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
>>> >>Subject: Return of the King - SPOILER -
>>> >>From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:40:01 -0600
>>> >>Thread:
>>>
>>>>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=
>1
>>0892&forumid=5#99456
>>> >>
>>> >>Much of your memories, like Shelob talking and the Frodo of the Nine
>>> Fingers
>>> >>song comes from the animated movies.
>>> >>
>>> >>I do miss the orcs singing "Where there's a whip there's a way." One
>>> of my
>>> >>favorite songs as a young'un.
>>> >>
>>> >>-Kevin
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