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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Return of the King - SPOILER -
Elfquest of course. Evercrack is different.
larry
At 09:30 PM 12/21/2003, you wrote:
>Did you mean EverQuest or ElfQuest fans?
>
>...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:45 AM
> Subject: RE: Return of the King - SPOILER -
>
> Glad I'm not the only one with that impression. Some of the EQ fans
> I've met at various conventions were worse than the Klingon types you
> see at SF conventions. I remember one girl who gushed about arranging
> to have plastic surgery on her ears. That I simply don't understand.
> I rather freaked a few of them out when I hauled out all the first
> series to be signed.
>
> larry
>
> >I've met the Pini's several times (I lived in upstate NY and they live, or
> >at least lived then, in Poughkeepsie so they went to all the local shows).
> >
> >
> >Very nice people - but some weird ass fans. People consider trekkies or
> >Star Wars fans odd, but at least they're recognized. "ElfQuest" fans just
> >as rabid but not nearly predictable. ;^)
> >
> >
> >I was waiting in line to speak with them. I had the two "Beauty and the
> >Beast" graphic novels they did for First Publishing with me to be
> signed (so
> >kill me, I loved that show). The guy ahead of me had literally EVERY
> SINGLE
> >collected ElfQuest book - a stack nearly two feet tall - and was
> wearing Elf
> >ears. He told me that "every time I drive by Poughkeepsie I say, 'There's
> >Elfland!'"
> >
> >
> >I saw Richard later walking and mentioned to him "you have some really
> >intense fans". His answer was "Yeah, we love'em but sometimes I'm glad we
> >have a table between us."
> >
> >
> >Some of those upstate shows were great - just a high-school gym or
> >auditorium, but SO MANY great people lived in that area. Jim Shooter,
> Berni
> >Wrightson, the Pinis, and lots of others that I can't remember. The
> Hudson
> >Valley was a gold mine for comic pros.
> >
> >
> >Jim Davis
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:58 PM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: RE: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> >
> >
> >Given that he filmed it first then animated on top of it, its no
> >wonder it was an expensive effort. I also preferred elements of the
> >Bakshi LOTR. However Bakshi does not have a good reputation among
> >artists and writers. Ralph Pini one of the people who did the comic
> >series ElfQuest, has stated that he would not work with him if Bakshi
> >was the last animator on earth.
> >
> >larry
> >
> >>I actually appreciated many of the staging and scripting elements of the
> >>Bakshi version as well.
> >>
> >>
> >>For example the scene with Galadriel's mirror was much more as I had
> >>envisioned: she was lighthearted, always in control and genuinely pleased
> >>when Frodo asked her if she'd like the ring. She was never seriously
> >>tempted. The scene was serious in subject but light in tone: I felt it
> >>(rightly) gave Frodo just a hint of respite and levity. In the Jackson
> >>version the scene was hard, taut and dramatic. She WAS very seriously
> >>tempted.
> >>
> >>
> >>Also while I didn't care so much for the design for the Balrog the
> fall of
> >>Gandalf was more tense in the Bakshi version. Gandalf was pulled over
> >while
> >>Boromir dove to save him missing him by inches. In the Jackson version
> >>there was never really any scale set - Gandalf hung there for quite a
> while
> >>and we're left wondering why somebody didn't try to run and pull him back
> >>up.
> >>
> >>
> >>They did play a little simpler in the Bakshi version, but they gave him
> >more
> >>depth as well. His desire to see elves was more clear as was his
> love for
> >>Bill the pony.
> >>
> >>
> >>Overall I greatlyprefer the Jackson version (the Bakshi version was more
> >>experiment than anything else) but I think he often adds melodrama where
> >>it's not needed and special effects where the actors skill should be
> enough
> >>(namely when Bilbo accuses Gandalf of trying to keep the ring himself,
> >where
> >>Bilbo attempts to snatch the ring from Frodo and where Galadriel s
> >tempted).
> >>
> >>
> >>But still, I wish Bakshi had been able to do the second installment
> of his
> >>version.
> >>
> >>
> >>Jim Davis
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:55 PM
> >>To: CF-Community
> >>Subject: Re: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> >>
> >>
> >>The rotoscoping was better in Wizards, too.
> >>
> >>will
> >>
> >>Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> > >
> >>> I have the movies on DVD, the Rankin and Bass The Hobbit and Return
> >>> of the King, and Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings. The Rankin and
> >>> Bass stuff are garbage, the Bakshi film was an interesting
> >>> experiment. The rotoscopy technique he used was much better developed
> >>> in film Fire and Ice he did with Frank Frazetta.
> >>>
> >>> larry
> >>>
> >>> >I have an even vaguer memory of the animated movies. :-)
> >>> >
> >>> > I think I'm going to have to read the books again.
> >>> >
> >>> >At 04:05 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
> >>> >>Subject: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> >>> >>From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> >>Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:40:01 -0600
> >>> >>Thread:
> >>>
>
> >>>>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=
> >1
> >>0892&forumid=5#99456
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Much of your memories, like Shelob talking and the Frodo of the Nine
> >>> Fingers
> >>> >>song comes from the animated movies.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I do miss the orcs singing "Where there's a whip there's a way." One
> >>> of my
> >>> >>favorite songs as a young'un.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>-Kevin
> >>> >
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