Why does it have to come from religion. The Greek philosophers came
up with a very good system for living the "good" life without
reference to superstitious beliefs or religion. Morality and ethics
are independent of religious thought.

larry

>You may be correct about the injustices and evils that the catholic
>church has wrought on the world over time, as have many ruling political
>institutions.
>
>However, do you see any  need at all for organised religion of any form
>in the world today?
>
>Where did your notion of 'morality', right and wrong, and a basis for
>the system of ethics by which you now live in western society,
>ultimately come from?
>
>-Gel
>
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>From: Heald, Tim
>
>I took my first communion and confirmation.  The only reason they got to
>me
>then was because I was young and inexperienced.
>
>  Funny what I remember is that pagan Ireland kept history and
>civilization
>alive when the catholic church plunged Europe into the dark ages.
>Again,
>where are you getting your facts from?
>
>Open a book. Open your mind.
>--
>Timothy Heald
>
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