i've seen CF developers land jobs (yes even in this market) for 90K and they
are absolutely terrible. they have poor logic, badly formed code, and take
days to figure out how to UPDATE or INSERT data from a web-based form.
now there is no doubt these people think more highly of their aptitude than
their work bears out, but a lot of companies spend no time really figuring
out if someone is really good. and in places that do portend to technically
screen these bad hires, the people qualifying the candidates have little
experience too.
couple that with [some] recruiters who just want their 30%, bad business
models ,and VCs bent on flipping their investment in 12-18 months....and
voila - you have today's market climate.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Stanford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:44 AM
To: CF-Jobs
Subject: Re: Looking for work
I agree with you. However not all good Application Programmers are good
Design Programmers.
Joe Ziems you should either not list your site or at least make some changes
to it even if you have to have a designer help you with the look and feel.
A simple site with a simple look would be better. If you have sites open to
the public list them as well.
I emailed John Menken, he says he should not have spoken this way. I agree
if I see a bad site I tend to not say anything. As a recruiter he should
not say anything so harsh. The message gets lost in the words. However he
is right to wonder if your experienced due the site you presented to him.
My Thoughts:
1. Web Designers should have very good looking sites.
2. Web Programmers should have very good looking code.
Number of years coding, Types of projects, and depth of projects should help
determine experienced or not.
Thanks,
Nathan Stanford
President
C. F. Concepts, Inc.
www.ColdFusionMonthly.com
www.CFTipsPlus.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Flesher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Jobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for work
> I'm normally against talking down about other people's work, but why is it
> that all these "experienced" contractors have such horrible sites? I
think
> we might need a new definition of what an "experienced" developer is.
>
> Rob Flesher
> www.robflesher.com
>
>
> >From: "Don Bellamy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: CF-Jobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Looking for work
> >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:03:41 -0400
> >
> >His site was pretty funny too..... :)
> >
> >----------------------------------------------
> >Error Occurred While Processing Request
> >Error Diagnostic Information
> >ODBC Error Code = S0002 (Base table not found)
> >
> >
> >[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Invalid object name
> >'dbo.AddressBook'.
> >
> >
> >SQL = "SELECT DISTINCT id, name, Title, phoneExt, eMail, dept FROM
> >dbo.AddressBook WHERE companycode = '3' OR companycode = '2' ORDER BY
> >dept"
> >
> >Data Source = "IMPACTI"
> >
> >
> >The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier
> >of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (10:1) to (10:53).
> >
> >
> >Date/Time: 07/16/01 10:59:16
> >Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
> >Remote Address: 12.150.43.225
> >HTTP Referer: http://www.impact-publishing.com/nav1.cfm
> >
> >
> >
> >---
> >Don Bellamy
> >SiteObjects, Inc.
> >http://www.siteobjects.com/
> >Tel (517) 324-4227 ext 100
> >Fax (517) 324-4267
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Ziems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:17 PM
> > > To: CF-Jobs
> > > Subject: FW: Looking for work
> > >
> > > I got this little gem from John Menken at The Impact Group.
> > > Apparently, he didn't feel confident enough to post this to the whole
> > > group,
> > > so I will do it for him.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Menken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:55 PM
> > > To: 'Joe Ziems'
> > > Subject: RE: Looking for work
> > >
> > >
> > > Just looked at your site. Can't say that I'm all that impressed. Empty
> > > pages
> > > and radio buttons that fire like submit buttons don't really convey
> >the
> > > message that you know what you are doing. You should probably
> >substitute
> > > "inexperienced but willing to exaggerate" for "experienced" and you
> >would
> > > be
> > > closer to the mark.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, we had loads of laughs looking at your sample
> >sites.
> > > And
> > > that's got to be worth something.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Ziems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:58 PM
> > > To: CF-Jobs
> > > Subject: Looking for work
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I am an experienced CF developer looking for perm/contract work in the
> > > Columbus, OH area.
> > > You can see my resume at http://www.joez.net.
> > >
> >
>
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