Obviously you've never received 80-90 marked up pages done by professional
designers in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver most certainly does produce "messy"
code. If you'd like, I'll be happy to send you a sample.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mack, Chris R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
I think a lot of professionals designers use WYSIWYG editors. I use
Dreamweaver not because I don't know html, but rather because it saves me
time. I can layout and tweak tables much faster using Dreamweaver than I
can in CF Studio. Dreamweaver does not leave "messy" code when doing
straight html stuff. I mean isn't a <table> tag the same in Dreamweaver or
if done by hand? Frontpage is the one that has given a bad name for WYSIWYG
editors. It uses all kinds of proprietary comments and markup to maintain a
site. Just because you can do something in notepad does not mean you are
any more professional than someone who knows the same code as you and can do
the same thing, but chooses to save time by going WYSIWIG. Check out
Adobe.com. They are using their product GoLive. You think the web
designers there are not professionals? The vi/notepad vs. WYSIWIG is just a
remnant of the "M$ vs UNIX" wars. I can hand code all day long, but that's
the problem, I have better things to do than to prove that I can layout a
table in notepad.
Chris R. Mack
Manager, Internet Strategies
Lockheed Martin Technology Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-----Original Message-----
From: William James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 5:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
As far as I'm concerned CF Studio IS a text editor. It's just help files,
browser, etc, all in one. I don't really see it any different than having
notepad, ftp, IE, and some tutorial websites all open except the convenince
factor. I've never and will never use the Design Tab (yuck!) As for using
text editors being out dated, I don't know a single professinla designer who
uses a WYSIWYG editor. For the most part, only the customers who design
their own and constantly have problems use those (*cough* Frontpage
*cough*). I type pretty much everything myself, but CF just nicely helps out
aging memories like mine :) Pus, there are always times when its easier to
just telnet into the machine and use pico or edit to modify files. I think
using text editors or non-WYSIWYG editors is not only not outdated but
preferred. I can't count the number of times I've been asked "Can you hand
code?" by places I've applied for a job. Although I almost always use CF
Studio now, I still consider it handcoding. Plus I can always use notepad if
need be.
-Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig M. Rosenblum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors
> I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code,
> because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and
gui
> generation....
>
> But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated) or
> non-conformist...
>
> Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio and
> the like?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
> >
> >
> > What a load of hooey!
> >
> > Ignoring the fact that this message was a thinly-disguised
> > advertisement for
> > a competing product...
> >
> > Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware
> > handholding to create high-quality sites. It's my opinion, but if you
need
> > this type of layout program to create websites, then you're not a
> > programmer. You may be a designer, but you're not a programmer and
should
> > not be allowed to write code. Programmers actually take pride in
> > *understanding what they are doing* instead of just connecting the
pretty
> > dots.
> >
> > I certainly don't do all of my coding in notepad, but the editors I do
use
> > (Homesite, CF Studio and Visual Studio) are primarily code-editors
(First
> > thing I do on install is disable the layout tab). Nonetheless, if
Homesite
> > and CF Studio were to disappear tomorrow, you'll find me happily
> > editing in
> > Notepad or vi.
> >
> > Bah, Amateurs!
> >
> > Michael J. Sheldon
> > Internet Applications Developer
> > Phone: 480.699.1084
> > http://www.desertraven.com/
> > PGP Key Available on Request
> >
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