It said it is a preview and that the "program" is coming soon. This will be
like MCSE or CNE/CNA, etc. How effective the program will be will be
determined by what the test encompasses, and if in fact it is an accurate
measure of capability. I am skeptical, but am taking a wait and see
approach.
DC
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Merker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 20:37
Subject: Re: Allaire Certificate Program
> They give no further instructions on setting up testing. Is anyone out
> there Allaire ColdFusion Certified?
> Or is it just a marketing technique? If you certify your product, there
> should be links to certification testers in qualified city CF training
> providers. Doesn't this seem like the
> logical way Allaire should really promote their certification? If it
> exists!
>
> KM
>
> Don Bellamy wrote:
>
> > Howard,
> >
> > I just read the page you are referring to, and it doesn't say that
> Allaire
> > is requiring "2 years of high-level programming experience" and
> "Experience
> > with enterprise-level databases". That is just what they suggest you
> have.
> > >From what I see, if you can pass the 65 question exam, you will be
> > certified. Don't worry about anything else, just take the exam when
> it is
> > available.
> >
> > ---
> > Don Bellamy
> > SiteObjects, Inc.
> > http://www.siteobjects.com/
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > tel (517) 324-4227 ext 100
> > fax (517) 324-4267
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:35 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: Allaire Certificate Program
> >
> > I tried to post these comments yesterday, but they don't seem to have
> gone
> > through, so I'll try again ...
> >
> > (FWIW: This is a copy of a note I just sent to Allaire)
> >
> > I was just looking at the page on the proposed certificate program and
> I
> > have some questions ...
> >
> > * 2 years of high-level programming experience
> > (Please define this ... and why? )
> >
> > * Experience with enterprise-level databases
> > What's wrong with Access?
> >
> > The reason I ask these questions are ... I've been working with Cold
> Fusion
> > for nearly 18 months (at least). I've become fairly proficient at it.
> Good
> > enough to teach a class in beginning CF at a local continuation
> college. I
> > believe I'm very good with CFML and even though there is still much to
> > learn, I'm confident I can tackle just about any programming task CFML
> is
> > able to handle. I believe I'm good enough to be certified (or will be
> with
> > only a little more study and practice), but I'm never going to have
> > "high-level programming" experience, if by that you mean Java and/or
> C++. I
> > shouldn't say never, but I just don't see myself being able to meet
> that
> > requirement any time soon (which, economically, would be a necessity
> once
> > certification is in place).
> >
> > As for "enterprise-level" databases. I assume Access doesn't qualify.
> But
> > for just about everything I do, anything else would be overkill. I
> have yet
> > to see any need to recommend to a client (or my employer -- I am both
> an
> > employee of a company and an independent developer) anything other
> than
> > Access. It can handle any small to medium Web site's needs and I
> don't see
> > myself moving beyond developing for small businesses and less than
> > mega-traffic Web sites. It's just more cost effective to stick with
> Access,
> > even though with my present employer I have free and easy access to
> Oracle
> > on Unix.
> >
> > To me, you're setting the bar too high for certification. I'm sure
> I'm not
> > too far off in background and qualifications of your average CF
> customer.
> > I'm a non-programmer who needed a quick and easy way to Web-enable a
> > database one day and I stumbled into CF. As I became more familiar
> with CF,
> > the more enamoured of it I became and the more I studied and practiced
> and
> > the better I got. I can use every CFML tag, am fairly proficient with
> most
> > CF expressions, am able to optimize code and write fairly
> sophisticated
> > applications. The beauty of CF is that is both easy and high powered.
> To
> > exclude those of us who are just plain proficient at CF, but still not
> > "real" programmers, from certification strikes me as very unfair and
> misses
> > the core reason CF has been successful. If I'm not able to get
> certified it
> > could be economically damaging and that would be unfair.
> >
> > It seems to me that being certified in CF should be about CF and not
> what
> > you know of any other programming language. It should be about using
> CF to
> > its best and highest level, but it still shouldn't matter what
> database
> > solution you use.
> >
> > Now, I wouldn't be opposed to two levels of certification -- maybe a
> > Certified Professional for all the high level stuff and Certified
> Developer
> > for people who are just damn good in CF. But to exclude those of us
> who
> > aren't "real" programmers seems to run counter to what CF is about.
> >
> > H.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Raymond K. Camden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:29 PM
> > > To: CFTALK
> > > Subject: Information on Allaire.com about certification
> > >
> > > I thought some of you mind find this interesting:
> > >
> > >
> http://www.allaire.com/handlers/index.cfm?ID=15376&Method=Full&Title=All
> ai
> > > re
> > > %20Certified%20Professional%20Program%20Preview&Cache=False
> > >
> > > It's information about the Allaire Certified Professional Program.
> Enjoy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > =========================
> > Howard Owens
> > Web Producer
> > InsideVC.com
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > =========================
> >
> >
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