I don't believe that just because Flash has a more customizable interface design means HTML controls are better. Fact is, HTML controls are still very extremely limited, no matter what Flash has.
----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 10:24 am Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > Yes, but the controls that HTML has all adhere to the interface > standards of > the host OS. This is in contrast to Flash widgets that look and feel > differently not only within Flash in general, but in just about > every Flash > UI environment you go to. And the scrollwheel not working is just > anotherexample of how Flash RIA's are going to confuse and > frustrate the users > because they don't behave "right". > > I love the Flash RIA concept. I intend to use it in some > situations. But I > feel that it has a long, long way to go before it meets the > useability needs > of a general audience. It's almost like there needs to be a way to > call OS > controls within Flash, but then we're sort of getting into Java RIA > territory. > > -Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:43 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > HTML hardly has any controls, compared to c/s environments such > > as VC++, VB, or Java. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Wheatley) > > Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 9:26 am > > Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > I was reading Dave Watts post about HTML sucking earlier and i am > > > reallycurious dave why do you think it sucks. Sure it has a few > > > weak points but > > > all the nice pretty flash is just pretty and its > > > really a pain in the ass how they implemented it on > macromedia. I > > > use the > > > site everyday i dont need pretty i need it to work and html > does that > > > nicely. Of course html is annoying because its stateless yadda > yadda.> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Moretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > > > > Thought this link might be of interest to you all. > > > > > > http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/001871.cfm > > > > > > Its an article on Mike Chamber's blog, by Tony Lopez, Executive > > > Producer of > > > Macromedia. > > > > > > Please note the links to the survey and feedback pages at the > > > bottom of the > > > article. These are the appropriate places to make a response. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Stephen > > > ================================== > > > CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ > > > Olymia Conference Centre, London > > > 29-30 May 2003 > > > Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel > > > Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Willy Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM > > > Subject: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > > > > > Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to "Please > > > Use a > > > > Supported Browser". Baby steps, I guess. Hopefully they'll get > > > that> working at some point soon. > > > > > > > > The home page is working great. So, as a developer who's > doing some > > > > remoting, some RIAs (regardless of how *that* thread pans > out), I'm > > > > intensly curious: What *exactly* was the problem, and will it > > > effect> me, as I build RIAs? > > > > > > > > Willy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 05:18AM >>> > > > > Ahh good I am quite happy now that it was finally fixed so I > can see > > > > the > > > > site. > > > > That song on the front page is nice for all of 2 seconds and > > > then it > > > > burns > > > > into your skull lol. > > > > > > > > But looks like its not quite as laggy as it was in ie other > 2 days. > > > > > > > > Kudos MM for at least letting those people who like a good > > > browser :) > > > > (Opera) to use your site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sean A Corfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:31 AM > > > > Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 14:08 US/Pacific, > Adrocknaphobia Jones > > > > wrote: > > > > > For the last few years I've been telling upper management that > > > I can > > > > > cut > > > > > costs, raise quality, and employ less developers. Cold Fusion > > > is the > > > > > solution for us. Am I supposed to go to them and say, I > need 3 > > > times> > the > > > > > budget per project and quadruple my department size > > > > > > > > I'm not sure why you think you need to do this? No one is > > > forcing you > > > > to abandon CF nor forcing you to use Flash - you can > continue to > > > sell> your "CF is cheap" position and continue building great > sites,> > > quickly. > > > > CF is great for that. > > > > > > > > > But last month I > > > > > noticed a large part of this community actively learning .NET. > > > > > > > > I'd hope large parts of this community would be constantly > learning> > > about technology. That's what makes everyone a > better programmer. > > > > That's why people take courses, for example. > > > > > > > > > My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't > > > tell> you > > > > > where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know > > > where> I, > > > > > a > > > > > MM developer will be in a year either. > > > > > > > > Well, I don't think anyone can realistically argue the new site > > > hasn't> been fully sign-posted. Anyone who is surprised by our RIA > > > deployment> has, frankly, been living under a stone :) > > > > > > > > And it is purely evolution. It's CF on the back end, several > of the > > > > apps are pure CF. Nothing shocking there. We have just four > RIAs on > > > > the > > > > new site - there are five pure CF applications. People have been > > > using> Flash UIs on CF apps for quite some time, certainly prior > > > to the MX > > > > launches. > > > > > > > > Macromedia has been roundly criticized for not using our own > > > > technology > > > > and for being a few releases behind the leading edge. Now we're > > > up to > > > > date. You can't really criticize us for pushing the envelope... > > > > > > > > Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture > > > > Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. > > > > tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 > > > > aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com > > > > An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog > > > > > > > > Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions > > > > Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription > > > > Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. 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