I think the key here Kevein is for us as developers to develop UIs that are "better" than what is currently available with HTML without confusing users. Yes there will be some confusion, but if done right a new UI can be more intuitive than what users are used to....this is the benefit of RIAs.
Granted there will be resistance to change....that's a fact of life...but we have to start somewhere. There will also be developers that create useless confusing peices of.... ;-) As with any new technology...it gets better over time or washes out Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com --------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > Yes, but the controls that HTML has all adhere to the interface standards of > the host OS. This is in contrast to Flash widgets that look and feel > differently not only within Flash in general, but in just about every Flash > UI environment you go to. And the scrollwheel not working is just another > example of how Flash RIA's are going to confuse and frustrate the users > because they don't behave "right". > > I love the Flash RIA concept. I intend to use it in some situations. But I > feel that it has a long, long way to go before it meets the useability needs > of a general audience. It's almost like there needs to be a way to call OS > controls within Flash, but then we're sort of getting into Java RIA > territory. > > -Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:43 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > HTML hardly has any controls, compared to c/s environments such > > as VC++, VB, or Java. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Wheatley) > > Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 9:26 am > > Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > I was reading Dave Watts post about HTML sucking earlier and i am > > > reallycurious dave why do you think it sucks. Sure it has a few > > > weak points but > > > all the nice pretty flash is just pretty and its > > > really a pain in the ass how they implemented it on macromedia. I > > > use the > > > site everyday i dont need pretty i need it to work and html does that > > > nicely. Of course html is annoying because its stateless yadda yadda. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Moretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > > > > Thought this link might be of interest to you all. > > > > > > http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/001871.cfm > > > > > > Its an article on Mike Chamber's blog, by Tony Lopez, Executive > > > Producer of > > > Macromedia. > > > > > > Please note the links to the survey and feedback pages at the > > > bottom of the > > > article. These are the appropriate places to make a response. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Stephen > > > ================================== > > > CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ > > > Olymia Conference Centre, London > > > 29-30 May 2003 > > > Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel > > > Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Willy Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM > > > Subject: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > > > > > Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to "Please > > > Use a > > > > Supported Browser". Baby steps, I guess. Hopefully they'll get > > > that> working at some point soon. > > > > > > > > The home page is working great. So, as a developer who's doing some > > > > remoting, some RIAs (regardless of how *that* thread pans out), I'm > > > > intensly curious: What *exactly* was the problem, and will it > > > effect> me, as I build RIAs? > > > > > > > > Willy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 05:18AM >>> > > > > Ahh good I am quite happy now that it was finally fixed so I can see > > > > the > > > > site. > > > > That song on the front page is nice for all of 2 seconds and > > > then it > > > > burns > > > > into your skull lol. > > > > > > > > But looks like its not quite as laggy as it was in ie other 2 days. > > > > > > > > Kudos MM for at least letting those people who like a good > > > browser :) > > > > (Opera) to use your site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sean A Corfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:31 AM > > > > Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 14:08 US/Pacific, Adrocknaphobia Jones > > > > wrote: > > > > > For the last few years I've been telling upper management that > > > I can > > > > > cut > > > > > costs, raise quality, and employ less developers. Cold Fusion > > > is the > > > > > solution for us. Am I supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 > > > times> > the > > > > > budget per project and quadruple my department size > > > > > > > > I'm not sure why you think you need to do this? No one is > > > forcing you > > > > to abandon CF nor forcing you to use Flash - you can continue to > > > sell> your "CF is cheap" position and continue building great sites, > > > > quickly. > > > > CF is great for that. > > > > > > > > > But last month I > > > > > noticed a large part of this community actively learning .NET. > > > > > > > > I'd hope large parts of this community would be constantly learning > > > > about technology. That's what makes everyone a better programmer. > > > > That's why people take courses, for example. > > > > > > > > > My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't > > > tell> you > > > > > where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know > > > where> I, > > > > > a > > > > > MM developer will be in a year either. > > > > > > > > Well, I don't think anyone can realistically argue the new site > > > hasn't> been fully sign-posted. Anyone who is surprised by our RIA > > > deployment> has, frankly, been living under a stone :) > > > > > > > > And it is purely evolution. It's CF on the back end, several of the > > > > apps are pure CF. Nothing shocking there. We have just four RIAs on > > > > the > > > > new site - there are five pure CF applications. People have been > > > using> Flash UIs on CF apps for quite some time, certainly prior > > > to the MX > > > > launches. > > > > > > > > Macromedia has been roundly criticized for not using our own > > > > technology > > > > and for being a few releases behind the leading edge. Now we're > > > up to > > > > date. You can't really criticize us for pushing the envelope... > > > > > > > > Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture > > > > Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. > > > > tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 > > > > aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com > > > > An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog > > > > > > > > Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions > > > > Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription > > > > Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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