Don't forget http://www.oswd.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandy Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:09 pm Subject: RE: Crossborwser support WAS: Simple html question
> Try these sites for some good css/layouts. > > > http://glish.com/css/ > http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ > http://realworldstyle.com/ > http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/layouts/3Col_OrderedAbsolute.mhtml > > Keep in mind though that when using web standards, you have to be > designingfor web standard compatible browsers. You have to throw > out the idea that a > design will look exactly the same in all browsers, on all > computers, on all > os's and in all versions. Its not possible and will drive you > crazy. At > best, allow your sites to degrade so that while it might not be > pretty, the > content will still be there. My site, http://www.shayna.com, is > readable in > NS 4, but not pretty. And that's fine. > > Also if you are using Fusebox4, you can use contentvariables to stuff > display stuff in andthen output it to a particular layout (either > css or > tables) depending on the browser you sniff (I send to web > standards by > default and table for NS4 only on some stuff I do). > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:53 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Crossborwser support WAS: Simple html question > > > You bring up something that I have debated in my head many times. > How can > anybody bring about better browser compliance so that it is easier > to make > good clean and accessible web pages. > > I have been working on a project for the last 6 months, and I'm > finding that > I'm having to fall back on age old tricks and kludges to get the > pages to > work similar. I'm still using tables for layout because I can't get > divisions to do what I need them to do. Which is basically > multi-column/cell layout. For example, I wanted something fairly > simplesuch as this. I needed two divisions at the bottom of a > larger division so > that I could have images with captions side by side. I never did > figure out > how to do this in such a way that it worked properly. > > | | > |____________| > || | | > ||image|image| > ||text | | > |------------| > | | > -------------- > > I really like the idea of CSS and universally standard rendering > of designs > so that I can make clean pages, but I'm not sure we're there yet. > In my > darkest hours, I wonder if we are even moving that direction! > > > Ian Skinner > Web Programmer > BloodSource > Sacramento, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:09 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Simple html question > > > Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :) > > Yes, it works in NS. Will it work in NS 4.x? I don't know. > > Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore. In my opinion, > the number > of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss. I can't spend > resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser > thatrepresents such a small % of my audience. To me, that time > spent would be a > greater loss. > > This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited > resourcesthat I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my > code is > standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. > Also > (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more > we, as Web > Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then > it will > work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make > sure it > works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no > motivationto ensure that their products will render code 'properly'. > > I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing > with older > browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and > if so, do > you act on it? Or are you in a position where you don't have the > option (or > desire) to discount any certain browser(s)? > > As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off- > topic.Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be > relevant. > Charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: Simple html question > > > > and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how > far back? > > version 4.x? ;-) > > > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > > t. 250.920.8830 > > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Macromedia Associate Partner > > www.macromedia.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > > Founder & Director > > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM > > Subject: RE: Simple html question > > > > > > > You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider > > > dotted/dashed borders) > > > > > > <table style="border:1px solid black"> > > > <tr> > > > <td>hello world</td> > > > </tr> > > > </table> > > > > > > That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the > same the > > > default border - though that depends on your browser) > > > > > > André > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John McCosker [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Simple html question > > > > > > Hi, > > > Just a very simple question, > > > is it possible to apply a style to a <table> to manipulate its > border,> > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout > our designer has > > > done. > > > > > > I tried <table style="border:1px;border-color:#000000">, but > this just > > > gives > > > the default border of one. > > > > > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with > CF studio > > > 4.5, > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > j. > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
